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<blockquote data-quote="Deadboy" data-source="post: 5782112" data-attributes="member: 61779">First, no one is saying all characters should be equal in all situations. That's just silly. What we are saying is that they should be able to contribute equally - something the 3.5 Fighter just can't do.&nbsp;Also, it sounds to me like you and the players in your group aren't playing Wizards to their full capability - it sounds like you're not even particularly using all the tools they have available to them in the PHB, nevermind all 3.5's splatbooks. Do the Wizards in your group utilize Scribe Scroll and Craft Wondrous Item to break past their spells per day limitations? Do they utilize Save-or-Die or Save-or-Suck spells which can effectively end combats before they've started? Do they utilize utility spells that allow them to steal other players' niches?&nbsp;If not, then you're very lucky to have such a well-behaved group to not play the Wizard class as its written. Though you have to realize that its not really fair to argue about the Wizard class as your group has specifically neutered it (whether intentionally or not) rather than as it is in all its horrific, unbalanced, as-written glory.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Deadboy, post: 5782112, member: 61779"] First, no one is saying all characters should be equal in all situations. That's just silly. What we are saying is that they should be able to contribute equally - something the 3.5 Fighter just can't do. Also, it sounds to me like you and the players in your group aren't playing Wizards to their full capability - it sounds like you're not even particularly using all the tools they have available to them in the PHB, nevermind all 3.5's splatbooks. Do the Wizards in your group utilize Scribe Scroll and Craft Wondrous Item to break past their spells per day limitations? Do they utilize Save-or-Die or Save-or-Suck spells which can effectively end combats before they've started? Do they utilize utility spells that allow them to steal other players' niches? If not, then you're very lucky to have such a well-behaved group to not play the Wizard class as its written. Though you have to realize that its not really fair to argue about the Wizard class as your group has specifically neutered it (whether intentionally or not) rather than as it is in all its horrific, unbalanced, as-written glory. [/QUOTE]

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