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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5782235" data-attributes="member: 9037">How did they start with a 20 in intelligence from the very beginning? Even if you roll the highest you can get is an 18 an if you use point buy the highest you can buy is an 18. My wizard I am playing now was made on a 32 point buy and at 12 level her intelligence just hit 20 and that is because I have an item that is +2 and I built her taking three levels of human paragon, If you have characters starting 1 level with 20s in their primary stat then right there is an issue that needs to be addressed. I won't allow it in my games my rule is no scores over 18 even with racial bonuses. I am aware how metamagic works and I do use it and sometimes it is very effective and sometime the NPCs make their saves. That is one of the balancing factors of the game the ability to make saves and avoid spell damage. Maybe my DMs are rare in the fact that they throw more than 1 or 2 NPCs at us and they also use terrain and climate conditions against us. As for +6 items I rarely seen them in game except maybe for one or two at the highest levels.I don't care if a +6 item can be made at lower levels it is not happening in my game I am the DM and I will not allow something that game breaking in that early. DMs need to be using a little common sense just because something is in the RAW does not mean it is in the RAI.Any DM who is allowing characters in at first level with high stats and +6 items in so early are going to have an issue challenging the party following the CR as it is written. This is not a balance issue it is a DM issue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 5782235, member: 9037"] How did they start with a 20 in intelligence from the very beginning? Even if you roll the highest you can get is an 18 an if you use point buy the highest you can buy is an 18. My wizard I am playing now was made on a 32 point buy and at 12 level her intelligence just hit 20 and that is because I have an item that is +2 and I built her taking three levels of human paragon, If you have characters starting 1 level with 20s in their primary stat then right there is an issue that needs to be addressed. I won't allow it in my games my rule is no scores over 18 even with racial bonuses. I am aware how metamagic works and I do use it and sometimes it is very effective and sometime the NPCs make their saves. That is one of the balancing factors of the game the ability to make saves and avoid spell damage. Maybe my DMs are rare in the fact that they throw more than 1 or 2 NPCs at us and they also use terrain and climate conditions against us. As for +6 items I rarely seen them in game except maybe for one or two at the highest levels. I don't care if a +6 item can be made at lower levels it is not happening in my game I am the DM and I will not allow something that game breaking in that early. DMs need to be using a little common sense just because something is in the RAW does not mean it is in the RAI. Any DM who is allowing characters in at first level with high stats and +6 items in so early are going to have an issue challenging the party following the CR as it is written. This is not a balance issue it is a DM issue. [/QUOTE]

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