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<blockquote data-quote="NewJeffCT" data-source="post: 5783448" data-attributes="member: 10784">I think a lot of the issues with wizards being more powerful than the rest of the party is because the DM sometimes doesn't know how to properly challenge a powerful wizard, whereas you can just throw more &amp; bigger monsters at the party fighter and/or paladin in order to challenge them more.&nbsp; (not always, but sometimes)I finished up a long running 3.5E campaign a few years back now (geez, was it really two years ago now?) that went from level 1 to 18.&nbsp; It was a huge party of PCs: human cleric, human wizard, halfling psion for &quot;magic&quot; support and also a dwarf fighter, an elf paladin of freedom, a human rogue/spellthief, human fighter and a goliath barbarian.&nbsp; Plus, they had a very effective human cleric/paladin NPC as an ally, as well as an elf scout NPC who was a follower of the cleric.In no way did the cleric or wizard outshine the party.&nbsp; There were a few areas in the mid level range where the psion was a bit overpowered (Dispel Magic/Psionics), but that ended up smoothing out later on in the campaign.&nbsp; There were a few instances where the wizard or cleric had shining moments (the first time the cleric cast Firestorm almost single-handedly won an encounter I had planned on the PCs losing), but the other PCs had their shining moments as well: the goliath barbarian getting a 4x crit on a major baddie and doing like 130 points of damage (or, the time she got out of a Maze spell by rolling a natural 20 on her INT check)... the dwarf fighter getting a full attack on a balor and landing 5 hits on it, critting it twice, and doing over 200 points of damage and killing it, etc, etc.That said, I know older editions had more balance issues that were sometimes offset by the different XP curves, but not always.&nbsp; And, once you got up to name level, the DM would have to go out of his or her way to challenge a party wizard as opposed to the others in the party.I guess I should qualify my earlier statement as well.&nbsp; Sometimes a DM does not know how to challenge all of the party, but it can also be more difficult to challenge a wizard than it is to challenge a fighter (as I said, just send bigger &amp; badder monsters after the fighter).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NewJeffCT, post: 5783448, member: 10784"] I think a lot of the issues with wizards being more powerful than the rest of the party is because the DM sometimes doesn't know how to properly challenge a powerful wizard, whereas you can just throw more & bigger monsters at the party fighter and/or paladin in order to challenge them more. (not always, but sometimes) I finished up a long running 3.5E campaign a few years back now (geez, was it really two years ago now?) that went from level 1 to 18. It was a huge party of PCs: human cleric, human wizard, halfling psion for "magic" support and also a dwarf fighter, an elf paladin of freedom, a human rogue/spellthief, human fighter and a goliath barbarian. Plus, they had a very effective human cleric/paladin NPC as an ally, as well as an elf scout NPC who was a follower of the cleric. In no way did the cleric or wizard outshine the party. There were a few areas in the mid level range where the psion was a bit overpowered (Dispel Magic/Psionics), but that ended up smoothing out later on in the campaign. There were a few instances where the wizard or cleric had shining moments (the first time the cleric cast Firestorm almost single-handedly won an encounter I had planned on the PCs losing), but the other PCs had their shining moments as well: the goliath barbarian getting a 4x crit on a major baddie and doing like 130 points of damage (or, the time she got out of a Maze spell by rolling a natural 20 on her INT check)... the dwarf fighter getting a full attack on a balor and landing 5 hits on it, critting it twice, and doing over 200 points of damage and killing it, etc, etc. That said, I know older editions had more balance issues that were sometimes offset by the different XP curves, but not always. And, once you got up to name level, the DM would have to go out of his or her way to challenge a party wizard as opposed to the others in the party. I guess I should qualify my earlier statement as well. Sometimes a DM does not know how to challenge all of the party, but it can also be more difficult to challenge a wizard than it is to challenge a fighter (as I said, just send bigger & badder monsters after the fighter). [/QUOTE]

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