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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 5783600" data-attributes="member: 53980">Yes, really. How many locks is a DM realistically going to throw into a single adventure before it starts to get a tad ridiculous? The rogue has to roll for success, unless he takes 20 (requiring 2 minutes) and even then he fails if the DC is higher than his skill + 20.The wizard, on the other hand, succeeds automatically requiring only one action. It doesn't matter is the DC is over 9,000, or Arcane Locked, he still succeeds. Also, you forgot about bonus spells. By 9th level the wizard can likely memorize around 6 Knock spells. That doesn't even take into account that the wizard could pretty easily craft a wand of Knock and thereby cast Knock nonstop.Is the wizard better than the rogue in every scenario? Not necessarily. Is he better in some / many scenarios. Yes, and that shouldn't be allowed to happen. A party shouldn't ever have to wonder whether they're screwing themselves because they let the rogue (who might potentially fail) pick the lock on the death trap rather than just letting the wizard cast Knock, and getting the heck out of there.Now if you want to argue that the wizard should be allowed to be a sub-par rogue, I'm certainly open to the idea. Never a superior rogue though, which due to auto-success abilities like Knock and Spider Climb, he can be. The rogue should be the best rogue there is.That doesn't even consider how he can replace the fighter, which he can. Casters are all, to one degree or another, skeleton keys but the wizard is arguably the best at it. If anything, that really ought to be the bard.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 5783600, member: 53980"] Yes, really. How many locks is a DM realistically going to throw into a single adventure before it starts to get a tad ridiculous? The rogue has to roll for success, unless he takes 20 (requiring 2 minutes) and even then he fails if the DC is higher than his skill + 20. The wizard, on the other hand, succeeds automatically requiring only one action. It doesn't matter is the DC is over 9,000, or Arcane Locked, he still succeeds. Also, you forgot about bonus spells. By 9th level the wizard can likely memorize around 6 Knock spells. That doesn't even take into account that the wizard could pretty easily craft a wand of Knock and thereby cast Knock nonstop. Is the wizard better than the rogue in every scenario? Not necessarily. Is he better in some / many scenarios. Yes, and that shouldn't be allowed to happen. A party shouldn't ever have to wonder whether they're screwing themselves because they let the rogue (who might potentially fail) pick the lock on the death trap rather than just letting the wizard cast Knock, and getting the heck out of there. Now if you want to argue that the wizard should be allowed to be a sub-par rogue, I'm certainly open to the idea. Never a superior rogue though, which due to auto-success abilities like Knock and Spider Climb, he can be. The rogue should be the best rogue there is. That doesn't even consider how he can replace the fighter, which he can. Casters are all, to one degree or another, skeleton keys but the wizard is arguably the best at it. If anything, that really ought to be the bard. [/QUOTE]

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