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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5784659" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>Why is it that people keep implying that since I don't fins wizards broken I must be playing with a hand tied behind my back that I am choosing not to take the best spells?</p><p></p><p>I play with a few powergamers and anything combined the right way can break the game and cause a major imbalance at the table and make the rest of the party feel like henchmen. And the interesting thing the people making these monster characters never use wizard at the base they use cleric, druids and classes from the splat books. They have muliclassing down to a science. </p><p></p><p>Now using the logic that I see so many wizards are broken people use this mean multiclassing is broken. </p><p></p><p>In the hands of a min maxer anything can be broken.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In your example of the fighter and the wizard is a perfect example of what happens in a game where you have people who make role playing characters and others who make optimized characters. You can easily change that to an optimized fighter and role playing wizard who only has a 14 in intelligence at that point the wizard won't get any spell higher then fifth.</p><p></p><p>Right now I play a wizard in our Age of Worms game because we had a sorcerer I choose not to play her as blaster she is all about knowledge, utility spells and party support. </p><p></p><p>The player playing our rogue is a powergamer has combined classes to make his rogue a combat monster. He routinely does more damage in combat than the party cleric or the paladin who replaced the cleric. So he not only has all the rogue niche stuff going on he also co opted the front line fighter position. His use magic device is now high enough that he is now using a wand of healing to heal himself and sometimes the rest of the party.</p><p></p><p>But again using the logic so many wizards are broken use this means rogues are also broken because they can out fight the fighters, heal the same as the clerics and now can use wands and scrolls to step on the wizard's niche.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 5784659, member: 9037"] Why is it that people keep implying that since I don't fins wizards broken I must be playing with a hand tied behind my back that I am choosing not to take the best spells? I play with a few powergamers and anything combined the right way can break the game and cause a major imbalance at the table and make the rest of the party feel like henchmen. And the interesting thing the people making these monster characters never use wizard at the base they use cleric, druids and classes from the splat books. They have muliclassing down to a science. Now using the logic that I see so many wizards are broken people use this mean multiclassing is broken. In the hands of a min maxer anything can be broken. In your example of the fighter and the wizard is a perfect example of what happens in a game where you have people who make role playing characters and others who make optimized characters. You can easily change that to an optimized fighter and role playing wizard who only has a 14 in intelligence at that point the wizard won't get any spell higher then fifth. Right now I play a wizard in our Age of Worms game because we had a sorcerer I choose not to play her as blaster she is all about knowledge, utility spells and party support. The player playing our rogue is a powergamer has combined classes to make his rogue a combat monster. He routinely does more damage in combat than the party cleric or the paladin who replaced the cleric. So he not only has all the rogue niche stuff going on he also co opted the front line fighter position. His use magic device is now high enough that he is now using a wand of healing to heal himself and sometimes the rest of the party. But again using the logic so many wizards are broken use this means rogues are also broken because they can out fight the fighters, heal the same as the clerics and now can use wands and scrolls to step on the wizard's niche. [/QUOTE]
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