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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 5794827" data-attributes="member: 5143">Well, I assumed a +1 weapon.&nbsp; We were playing Living Greyhawk mostly and equipment was hard to come by.&nbsp; Plus, almost everyone felt that it was better to take a +1 shocking frost flaming acidic merciful weapon than to take a +5 weapon.&nbsp; After all, nearly every group had a cleric to cast Greater Magic Weapon on your weapon every session anyways, to increase it back up to +4 or +5.&nbsp; But without the Wizard and Cleric, they'd be at that power level.Which only reinforces that the casting classes were too powerful.&nbsp; And before anyone asks.&nbsp; I'm aware that the other classes(including Fighter) could be made nearly as powerful in combat, I'm aware.&nbsp; But as powerful as a Fighter could get, a Cleric could be better than them at fighting or a Druid or sometimes even a Wizard.&nbsp; Plus, no matter how powerful a Fighter was made IN combat, they always had to have virtually no out of combat abilities at all.Yes.&nbsp; That's my single biggest reason for switching away from 3e.&nbsp; There was imbalance between individuals of the same class, between members of different classes, and between the PCs and the monsters.&nbsp; And as each book came out, and my players gained experience with powergaming, and the number of powergamed ideas posted on the internet grew the imbalance between the 3 grew.Until at the end, finding a monster whose stat block was good enough to do anything but drop dead just by looking at the PCs was near impossible.&nbsp; And being a member of the Triad for Living Greyhawk and having to write and edit adventures that were designed to be played by 4-6 characters levels 8 though 12 with any combination of experience levels, classes, and power levels and any kind of DM made me want to tear my hair out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 5794827, member: 5143"] Well, I assumed a +1 weapon. We were playing Living Greyhawk mostly and equipment was hard to come by. Plus, almost everyone felt that it was better to take a +1 shocking frost flaming acidic merciful weapon than to take a +5 weapon. After all, nearly every group had a cleric to cast Greater Magic Weapon on your weapon every session anyways, to increase it back up to +4 or +5. But without the Wizard and Cleric, they'd be at that power level. Which only reinforces that the casting classes were too powerful. And before anyone asks. I'm aware that the other classes(including Fighter) could be made nearly as powerful in combat, I'm aware. But as powerful as a Fighter could get, a Cleric could be better than them at fighting or a Druid or sometimes even a Wizard. Plus, no matter how powerful a Fighter was made IN combat, they always had to have virtually no out of combat abilities at all. Yes. That's my single biggest reason for switching away from 3e. There was imbalance between individuals of the same class, between members of different classes, and between the PCs and the monsters. And as each book came out, and my players gained experience with powergaming, and the number of powergamed ideas posted on the internet grew the imbalance between the 3 grew. Until at the end, finding a monster whose stat block was good enough to do anything but drop dead just by looking at the PCs was near impossible. And being a member of the Triad for Living Greyhawk and having to write and edit adventures that were designed to be played by 4-6 characters levels 8 though 12 with any combination of experience levels, classes, and power levels and any kind of DM made me want to tear my hair out. [/QUOTE]

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