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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7049313" data-attributes="member: 996">The organic fighter in question was low-level.&nbsp; I would think that pulling concerns like whether you'd ever pull down 5th level spells would be more of a 20-level-build-in-advance 3.x/PF CharOp thing, which'd also blow the whole 'organic' thing out of the water.&nbsp; I mean, if you dismissed EK at 3rd, because of a concern 9+ levels down the road.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;That's a pretty big 'just.'&nbsp; The Wizard's spell list has more unique (wizard-only) spells than that of any other primary caster, and the wizard is all about casting, so that's a lot of it's identity.&nbsp; And the other issues don't seem like not-wizard, so much as lesser-wizard.&nbsp; Much lesser, sure, but then the EK is also a very capable fighter.&nbsp; It just seems like an obvious option for a fighter with some arcane training.&nbsp; Now, if the EK only had 16 spells on his list, and they were all 1st level, and only 3 of them were on the wizard's list, then it might start to look not much like a wizard, even a much lesser wizard.&nbsp; &nbsp;Actually the simple 'the possibility of studying magic hadn't come up at that point, so he just went BM' reason sounded sufficient.&nbsp; Thanks for the offer, though.&nbsp; It sounds like the EK, because it represents a commitment of sorts that must be made at 3rd level, and can't be un-done or doubled-down on, isn't 'organic' the way 3.x style MCing is.&nbsp; The Fighter 4 who takes one of wizard could take the next 6 levels as wizard, or never take a wizard level again, or take a level of rouge, depending on the experiences he has going forward.I guess I can see that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7049313, member: 996"] The organic fighter in question was low-level. I would think that pulling concerns like whether you'd ever pull down 5th level spells would be more of a 20-level-build-in-advance 3.x/PF CharOp thing, which'd also blow the whole 'organic' thing out of the water. I mean, if you dismissed EK at 3rd, because of a concern 9+ levels down the road. That's a pretty big 'just.' The Wizard's spell list has more unique (wizard-only) spells than that of any other primary caster, and the wizard is all about casting, so that's a lot of it's identity. And the other issues don't seem like not-wizard, so much as lesser-wizard. Much lesser, sure, but then the EK is also a very capable fighter. It just seems like an obvious option for a fighter with some arcane training. Now, if the EK only had 16 spells on his list, and they were all 1st level, and only 3 of them were on the wizard's list, then it might start to look not much like a wizard, even a much lesser wizard. Actually the simple 'the possibility of studying magic hadn't come up at that point, so he just went BM' reason sounded sufficient. Thanks for the offer, though. It sounds like the EK, because it represents a commitment of sorts that must be made at 3rd level, and can't be un-done or doubled-down on, isn't 'organic' the way 3.x style MCing is. The Fighter 4 who takes one of wizard could take the next 6 levels as wizard, or never take a wizard level again, or take a level of rouge, depending on the experiences he has going forward. I guess I can see that. [/QUOTE]

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