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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moulin Rogue" data-source="post: 113403" data-attributes="member: 1192">With a year's perspective it does really look like S&F was hurt by coming out so early, I know I've read around here somewhere that the 3e quality control council wasn't quite set up yet when it was in production. They never did manage to explain the logic of the stump knife's special damage quality either, did they? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> And that part about how the fighter class works for the different races just feels like a leftover chunk of "Hero Builder's Guidebook" (if you're a half-elf and you roll good scores, you get to keep them!), as nothing like this ever appeared in subsequent classbooks. That said, I agree with those who have already pointed out its good qualities, like most of the PrCs and quite a few feats. The Swashbuckler is a big fantasy archetype.I found DotF the most useful for day-to-day stuff with the temples, but T&B was a close second and had some very cool PrCs (...Alienist....). I don't have the last two classbooks yet.</blockquote>