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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5351471" data-attributes="member: 61155">Well, for quite a while I used the pre-errata skill DCs without the +5 DC footnote. More recently, I came up with my own chart that ended up pretty much on par with what WotC is using. My current DM is using the new chart, and was quite pleased that she didn't need to buy Essentials to use it, since it is freely posted on the WotC site.   Probably the old ones. I might occasionally use the random treasure generator for some campaigns or one-shots. I like having the option of it. But it has almost no effect on the actual game itself. My current DM, again, will certainly continue choosing treasure via parcels and placing it where she feels appropriate. If someone said that, because we weren't using randomly rolled treasure, we weren't playing current 4th Edition D&D, I'd consider that person insane.  I'm likely to use the new rules for most things. Like I said - this is the one legitimate change I really see. But also one posted in the Errata. It also is relatively isolated - it doesn't require any real change to existing characters. It just determines that, going forward, players can use more item powers, and the DM hands out loot in a slightly different dynamic.   Well, the primary change was to the higher DCs. So the only difference would be that players who were trivially accomplishing difficult things are now not quite as good at doing so. Only by epic levels had the difference grown to the point where I think a character would feel a truly substantial shift in gameplay.  I mean, I just don't see it on that substantial a scale. Skill DCs and Skill Challenges are already something that fluctuate wildly in nature from one DM to the next. I don't think this will fundamentally change the game any more than the first Skill DC errata did.  When 3.5 hit, changes to individual spells altered the entire dynamic of the adventuring day for some parties. Other changes to spells and feats and classes could make entire characters fundamentally different from how they played before.  The change to DR required characters take an entirely new approach to acquiring weaponry. That alone, I suspect, had more impact on purchasing conditions in 3.5 than the entire shift in magic items and treasure options will have on characters going forward in 4E.  Some groups might experience these huge changes you fear. Some player might quit in anger because he is no longer guaranteed to climb the tallest, spikiest wall in existence. But I'm doubtful that will be common. I think the vast majority of groups will go on playing without much notice of the changes. And those groups that keep playing out of their PHB, and use the old treasure system or the like, will remain just as current and feel just the same as every other group out there.</blockquote>

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