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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 5517094" data-attributes="member: 11821"><p>I disagree with this assessment. The Fighter, at the very least, gets the 1 Daily and gets a better Encounter power, as well. He's got more selection in his At-Wills, and doesn't need to burn a Minor action to switch between them. His OAs get bonuses to-hit, and stop movement. The Core Fighter is, simply put, still the top Defender in the game; the Knight didn't even come close to unseating him.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Does this honestly make a difference in play?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Fighters and Rogues had an <em>entire extra book </em>over Clerics and Wizards. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Fighters also have the most Dragon article support out of any class.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think fewer build options is the main purpose. I think the purpose is, fewer options during play for people who want to run a simple character.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I expect we'll see this next week, but I'm fine handling this from a DM perspective where we just replace a character, if need be. But this seems to make the assumption that the simple classes are intended to be a tutorial of sorts, instead of a viable option for both old and new players.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I hope not. I think the AEDU Fighter is <em>just fine</em> power-level-wise. It's still the best Defender in the game, bar none.</p><p></p><p>I don't think Rogues would get use out of an expanded weapon range. You couldn't use them with Daggermaster. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why are such cautions needed? I can tell you from personal experience over 7 levels so far, it hasn't made a difference.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So I'm confused here.</p><p></p><p>You're arguing that the Knight, Thief, and Slayer are overpowered now, instead of classes with Dailies? I'm confused where you think the imbalance is, because it seems to be something of a moving target in your posts.</p><p></p><p>-O</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 5517094, member: 11821"] I disagree with this assessment. The Fighter, at the very least, gets the 1 Daily and gets a better Encounter power, as well. He's got more selection in his At-Wills, and doesn't need to burn a Minor action to switch between them. His OAs get bonuses to-hit, and stop movement. The Core Fighter is, simply put, still the top Defender in the game; the Knight didn't even come close to unseating him. Does this honestly make a difference in play? Fighters and Rogues had an [I]entire extra book [/I]over Clerics and Wizards. :) Fighters also have the most Dragon article support out of any class. I don't think fewer build options is the main purpose. I think the purpose is, fewer options during play for people who want to run a simple character. I expect we'll see this next week, but I'm fine handling this from a DM perspective where we just replace a character, if need be. But this seems to make the assumption that the simple classes are intended to be a tutorial of sorts, instead of a viable option for both old and new players. I hope not. I think the AEDU Fighter is [I]just fine[/I] power-level-wise. It's still the best Defender in the game, bar none. I don't think Rogues would get use out of an expanded weapon range. You couldn't use them with Daggermaster. :) Why are such cautions needed? I can tell you from personal experience over 7 levels so far, it hasn't made a difference. So I'm confused here. You're arguing that the Knight, Thief, and Slayer are overpowered now, instead of classes with Dailies? I'm confused where you think the imbalance is, because it seems to be something of a moving target in your posts. -O [/QUOTE]
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