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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5518831" data-attributes="member: 78116">You should go and read his posts again, because he actually didn't do that.No, because this ends by epic tier. If you read my post, you'd notice I bought up how easily epic characters can recycle their encounter and daily powers. E-martial classes keep up due to being reliable all encounter and not having limited resources. When the classes that are "balanced" against them are no longer so "limited" resource wise - the E-martial classes begin to fall behind very quickly. I would far rather have a Barbarian that can recycle 2-3 times in one encounter a 7[W] daily power with a strong effect, than a Knight or Slayer. Especially when the Barbarian could throw out a 7[W] daily like Stone Tempest Rage (the one with the 18-20 crit stance) recycle it (for later), action point and throw out Hurricane of Blades for 3x [2]W attacks (all with an 18-20 crit range). Did I mention that the Barbarian can charge with Stone Tempest Rage to get the advantage of all the charge cheese in the game as well? Oh I only just did? Consider that mentioned.Bearing in mind that unlike at previous tiers, that Barbarian is more than capable of getting BACK that daily for later use with certain EDs. It's hard for a slayer - even with how reliable they are - to keep up with sheer potential damage output by this point. Especially as the 18-20 crit range is just amazing as an effect, with knocking prone so he can get immediate use out of headman's chop on the HoB even better. Throw on frost cheese to complete the hilarity and we can be up to getting 3 attacks at around +10 extra damage, with an 18-20 crit range, with combat advantage and have got all our delicious charge cheese just moments before. Best of all, unlike at other tiers this class can now recycle that and do it all again next encounter - fun isn't it?Now this isn't to say the Slayer is useless - his plunking every day DPR is "workmanlike". He also gets arguably one of the best benefits of out of turn free attacks from a warlord because they aren't dependent on anything else. But there does become a gulf in power between the "basic" martial classes and the regular classes. This is nowhere near the 3.x divide where at high levels you were pretty much pointless if you weren't a caster, but it is there. At this point, while I think this will have an effect I have yet to see anyone play an E-class into epic tier in one of my campaigns. The only E-classes I do have are an executioner (who isn't quite as basic as MBA spamming), a mage and a sentinel. So I'm not going to see what effect this has beyond theorycraft at the moment - but I suspect it might not be entirely pretty.</blockquote>

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