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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5519234" data-attributes="member: 463">Well, we've played 7 sessions now with my Essentials Thief in a party of PHB PCs.  Now at 3rd level, I haven't seen any significant problems.  I'm a bit more min maxed than them since they are pretty much all new to 4e, and I think it's fairly clear that Essentials characters generally have the edge over PHB at least at low Heroic - this campaign will go from 1st to around 9th level BTW, I'm sure a game which (a) started at the Epic tier, (b) allowed all sources, and (c) mixed E & non-E would see the E-classes somewhat outclassed.My experience is that in long days of 4-5 encounters my Thief is clearly superior, whereas last night we just had 2 fights, and in the second we could nova.  In that situation the PHB PCs nova-ing with their Dailies somewhat outclassed me, the best I could do was Backstab then AP for a regular basic attack.  I certainly didn't feel useless though - I was the first PC to act and I threw my Dagger of Distance around 15 squares, through a bunch of skeleto minions, twice, to do around 47 damage to the Purple Ghoul before he could act. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>