Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Class Design Concepts
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Kinak" data-source="post: 6055389" data-attributes="member: 6694112"><p>I'd love to blame everyone here. Lord knows every message board has its collection of people who type giant walls of text (guilty) and whine about the smallest things (also guilty).</p><p></p><p>But the way they've been segregating information has made it very difficult for people to see the goals of the test. I have a pretty good feel of what they're doing... because I've read all the playtest packets and the articles and Mike's tweets.</p><p></p><p>In practice, though, people aren't even going to read the "Read First" PDF. It's the nature of the beast.</p><p></p><p>And even if people do, you just get "the wizard's spellcasting ability has been changed for this reason" and not "We're trying something different with wizards, let us know what you think."</p><p></p><p>I know that it's implied and you know that it's implied, but if the guys at Wizards expect everyone will read the articles to understand what's being implied and then consistently apply those implications, they <em>are</em> being idiots.</p><p></p><p>If they want totally unguided freeform responses to the test material, they're doing what they should, presenting the material to people and seeing what kneejerk responses come back. If they want a constructive dialogue where everyone knows what the goals are, they really need to imbed that information in the test materials itself.</p><p></p><p>Because nobody, on finding something they hate mixed in with the settled rules, is going to compare it to old documents and the articles. If it's not labeled "Optional" or explicitly tagged with a "what do you think?" people will think the developers want it in the final game <em>because that's what the document is saying</em>.</p><p></p><p>Cheers!</p><p>Kinak</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kinak, post: 6055389, member: 6694112"] I'd love to blame everyone here. Lord knows every message board has its collection of people who type giant walls of text (guilty) and whine about the smallest things (also guilty). But the way they've been segregating information has made it very difficult for people to see the goals of the test. I have a pretty good feel of what they're doing... because I've read all the playtest packets and the articles and Mike's tweets. In practice, though, people aren't even going to read the "Read First" PDF. It's the nature of the beast. And even if people do, you just get "the wizard's spellcasting ability has been changed for this reason" and not "We're trying something different with wizards, let us know what you think." I know that it's implied and you know that it's implied, but if the guys at Wizards expect everyone will read the articles to understand what's being implied and then consistently apply those implications, they [I]are[/I] being idiots. If they want totally unguided freeform responses to the test material, they're doing what they should, presenting the material to people and seeing what kneejerk responses come back. If they want a constructive dialogue where everyone knows what the goals are, they really need to imbed that information in the test materials itself. Because nobody, on finding something they hate mixed in with the settled rules, is going to compare it to old documents and the articles. If it's not labeled "Optional" or explicitly tagged with a "what do you think?" people will think the developers want it in the final game [I]because that's what the document is saying[/I]. Cheers! Kinak [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Class Design Concepts
Top