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<blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 1340240" data-attributes="member: 2167">Has anyone else felt that the Sorcerer is drastically underpowered? I am thinking of doing some serious revamping of the class to make it a useful class. It’s not even a pale comparison to the Wizard in my opinion because it doesn’t even have a real flavor or fluff on why/how it is different than a wizard. It has no nitch of its own other than as a Combat or Illusion spell battery - and there is supposed to be more to an RPG than killing &quot;mobs&quot; - this isn’t EQ, etc.&nbsp; Even with a decent selection of spells for the whopping 4 you get per spell level – yes arcane magic can do some amazing things, but most spells are very limited in their use and worthless to a Sorcerer who needs the most broad effect/use spells they can get.For sake of the “balance” argument, in a comparison of Ranger, Sorcerer, Wizard and Cleric… the Sorcerer lags Far behind.[CODE]COMPARE&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; RANGER&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SORCERER&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; WIZARD&nbsp; &nbsp; CLERICHD&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; d8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; d4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; d4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; d8BAB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Best&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Worst&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Worst&nbsp; &nbsp; MedianSaves&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2 Good&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1 Good&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Good&nbsp; &nbsp; 2 GoodSkill Points&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6+&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2+&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2+&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2+Class Skills&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4+All Knowledge&nbsp; &nbsp; 10 + domainClass Abilities&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 3Weapons&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Martial&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Simple&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Limited&nbsp; &nbsp; SimpleArmor&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Lt, Md, Sd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; None&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; None&nbsp; &nbsp; AllSPELLS&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Max Cast&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3/Spell Level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6/Spell Level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4/Spell Level&nbsp; &nbsp; 5/Spell LevelMax Spell Level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; 9thSpells Known&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Ave=13/SL&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Ave=4/SL&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Ave=37/SL&nbsp; &nbsp; Ave=22/SLSpell Prep&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Prepared&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; On-the-Fly&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Prepared&nbsp; &nbsp; Prepared[/CODE]Anyone else feel that the Sorcerer is basically useless or weakly balanced?Personally I feel the class could use some serious balancing to make it viable with the other classes.Thanks for any input.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Khaalis, post: 1340240, member: 2167"] Has anyone else felt that the Sorcerer is drastically underpowered? I am thinking of doing some serious revamping of the class to make it a useful class. It’s not even a pale comparison to the Wizard in my opinion because it doesn’t even have a real flavor or fluff on why/how it is different than a wizard. It has no nitch of its own other than as a Combat or Illusion spell battery - and there is supposed to be more to an RPG than killing "mobs" - this isn’t EQ, etc. Even with a decent selection of spells for the whopping 4 you get per spell level – yes arcane magic can do some amazing things, but most spells are very limited in their use and worthless to a Sorcerer who needs the most broad effect/use spells they can get. For sake of the “balance” argument, in a comparison of Ranger, Sorcerer, Wizard and Cleric… the Sorcerer lags Far behind. [CODE] COMPARE RANGER SORCERER WIZARD CLERIC HD d8 d4 d4 d8 BAB Best Worst Worst Median Saves 2 Good 1 Good 1 Good 2 Good Skill Points 6+ 2+ 2+ 2+ Class Skills 19 6 4+All Knowledge 10 + domain Class Abilities 17 1 6 3 Weapons Martial Simple Limited Simple Armor Lt, Md, Sd None None All SPELLS Max Cast 3/Spell Level 6/Spell Level 4/Spell Level 5/Spell Level Max Spell Level 4th 9th 9th 9th Spells Known Ave=13/SL Ave=4/SL Ave=37/SL Ave=22/SL Spell Prep Prepared On-the-Fly Prepared Prepared [/CODE] Anyone else feel that the Sorcerer is basically useless or weakly balanced? Personally I feel the class could use some serious balancing to make it viable with the other classes. Thanks for any input. [/QUOTE]

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