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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1342429" data-attributes="member: 1465">Personally I think Sorcerers are balanced, but the fact that about a third of the people here voted &quot;underpowered&quot; or to throw them away, must mean something.IMHO the &quot;1-level spell delay&quot; is not nice. Every other class with 9 levels of spells opens up for next spell level at odd class levels, while the Sorcerer is always 1 level late. Next level he only gets to learn 1 single spell of the new level, while Wizards already know 4 (or more from scrolls, it could be even less but it rarely happens). I am absolutely sure that if Sorcerers were planned since the start of 3ed to get next spell level at the same class level of other spellcasters, no one in the whole gaming community would have house-ruled that to make it as it is now, they could have HR-ed everything else but not that! Many thinks that Clerics are still better than the other classes, but no one I heard of yet delayed their spell levels as a HR.Back to the topic of balance, as I said on the overall I think they are balanced anyway. Whatever &quot;balance&quot; really means of course. Fun to play? At first level they are very good. From level 2 they start to disappoint the player IMXP who sees the other PCs get more and more things to do. Later they shine again because of metamagic total flexibility and because the spells known are not so few anymore. In conclusion, there is some time at mid-low levels when they are somehow frustrating.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 1342429, member: 1465"] Personally I think Sorcerers are balanced, but the fact that about a third of the people here voted "underpowered" or to throw them away, must mean something. IMHO the "1-level spell delay" is not nice. Every other class with 9 levels of spells opens up for next spell level at odd class levels, while the Sorcerer is always 1 level late. Next level he only gets to learn 1 single spell of the new level, while Wizards already know 4 (or more from scrolls, it could be even less but it rarely happens). I am absolutely sure that if Sorcerers were planned since the start of 3ed to get next spell level at the same class level of other spellcasters, no one in the whole gaming community would have house-ruled that to make it as it is now, they could have HR-ed everything else but not that! Many thinks that Clerics are still better than the other classes, but no one I heard of yet delayed their spell levels as a HR. Back to the topic of balance, as I said on the overall I think they are balanced anyway. Whatever "balance" really means of course. Fun to play? At first level they are very good. From level 2 they start to disappoint the player IMXP who sees the other PCs get more and more things to do. Later they shine again because of metamagic total flexibility and because the spells known are not so few anymore. In conclusion, there is some time at mid-low levels when they are somehow frustrating. [/QUOTE]

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