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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 1346587" data-attributes="member: 16285">I have to disagree with many of the assumptions conserning sorcerers.For one Cha is no longer the least important ability.&nbsp; There a many, many things that are no dependent on Cha.&nbsp; Many skills and many abilities (turn undead, most of the paladin's abilities, bard abilities, etc.)The sorcerer does gain spells at a slower rate that a wizard, but he can freely cast them and doesn't have to worry about getting his spellbook lost, stolen or destroyed (a biggie when it comes down to it, since a wizard must lug his spellbook around with him or be rendered useless).&nbsp; The sorccerer does have level-dependent class abilities they are just focused around his familiar. And now he gets to 'change out' spells at certain levels - a real benefit that wasn't around in 3.0.A cleric has no level added class abilities, he gains spells and his turning ability goes up - but overall he has nothing new gained.Try multi-classing options to see how poor the Cha-based sorcerer is:&nbsp; a bard/sorcerer is a tremendously adaptive combination and all of their class abilities are Cha based. A sorcerer/paladin is another potentially powerful combination.There was a proposal on the WotC site that one of the developers had and that was to add Use Magic Device as a class skill for sorcerers. Seems pretty approriate to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 1346587, member: 16285"] I have to disagree with many of the assumptions conserning sorcerers. For one Cha is no longer the least important ability. There a many, many things that are no dependent on Cha. Many skills and many abilities (turn undead, most of the paladin's abilities, bard abilities, etc.) The sorcerer does gain spells at a slower rate that a wizard, but he can freely cast them and doesn't have to worry about getting his spellbook lost, stolen or destroyed (a biggie when it comes down to it, since a wizard must lug his spellbook around with him or be rendered useless). The sorccerer does have level-dependent class abilities they are just focused around his familiar. And now he gets to 'change out' spells at certain levels - a real benefit that wasn't around in 3.0. A cleric has no level added class abilities, he gains spells and his turning ability goes up - but overall he has nothing new gained. Try multi-classing options to see how poor the Cha-based sorcerer is: a bard/sorcerer is a tremendously adaptive combination and all of their class abilities are Cha based. A sorcerer/paladin is another potentially powerful combination. There was a proposal on the WotC site that one of the developers had and that was to add Use Magic Device as a class skill for sorcerers. Seems pretty approriate to me. [/QUOTE]

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