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<blockquote data-quote="ComradeGnull" data-source="post: 6011102" data-attributes="member: 6685694">I think pretty much everything that you list is going to be in the PHB if what we've heard to date is true, each as an entire class rather than as anything else. Assassin is the only one that there is some doubt for me; throughout the various editions, there hasn't been a lot of consistency to their form or mechanics. Sometimes assassin has just been a specialty or PrC for other classes, sometimes they have been a class, sometimes an evil/NPC only/mostly class (like the Blackguard PrC)...Personally I would be perfectly happy if that were the final outcome. Barbarian, I think, needs to focus on Rage as its niche and maybe remove the 'savage' connection- if you are someone who fights with a sort of berserker rage as your focus, you are a Barbarian, whether you are raised in a primitive culture, a Dwarven battlerager raised in an otherwise sophisticated delving, or a holy warrior who fights in a fugue state.Bard covers too much ground to fit well as a specialty. They are the social pillar-focused jack of all trades, with some thief skills, some combat skill, some arcane magic, some buff utility... I don't see that fitting any other class unless you make them a 3 or 4 ingredient multiclass of the basic classes (which won't happen).Warlord would be a specialty of what? Fighter? Their buffing/healing role seems to need more mechanical support than a feat chain can provide, and having buffing, healing, and the Fighter's combat capabilities could easily put them over the top.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ComradeGnull, post: 6011102, member: 6685694"] I think pretty much everything that you list is going to be in the PHB if what we've heard to date is true, each as an entire class rather than as anything else. Assassin is the only one that there is some doubt for me; throughout the various editions, there hasn't been a lot of consistency to their form or mechanics. Sometimes assassin has just been a specialty or PrC for other classes, sometimes they have been a class, sometimes an evil/NPC only/mostly class (like the Blackguard PrC)... Personally I would be perfectly happy if that were the final outcome. Barbarian, I think, needs to focus on Rage as its niche and maybe remove the 'savage' connection- if you are someone who fights with a sort of berserker rage as your focus, you are a Barbarian, whether you are raised in a primitive culture, a Dwarven battlerager raised in an otherwise sophisticated delving, or a holy warrior who fights in a fugue state. Bard covers too much ground to fit well as a specialty. They are the social pillar-focused jack of all trades, with some thief skills, some combat skill, some arcane magic, some buff utility... I don't see that fitting any other class unless you make them a 3 or 4 ingredient multiclass of the basic classes (which won't happen). Warlord would be a specialty of what? Fighter? Their buffing/healing role seems to need more mechanical support than a feat chain can provide, and having buffing, healing, and the Fighter's combat capabilities could easily put them over the top. [/QUOTE]

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