Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Class list for PHB
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6011511" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>Emphazis mine. Sorry but no. The whole musical approach is what makes the bard class so special to begin with:</p><p>Basic: Musical skills are about the only thing that makes a bard a bard (at least by late Rules Cyclopedia)</p><p>2e: Musical skills are the one thing bards have noone else has, (and IMHO the minstrel is the best Bard across all editions)</p><p>3.x: Musical skills got expanded on the transition to 3.5. Outside of core a bard with the right feats could become so focussed on Perform the bard actually turned SAD and was nearly impossible to disrupt.</p><p>PF: The musical repertorie got expanded and musical skills got severely nerfed.</p><p>4e: Musical skills got dumped and reduced to token flavor -and this is the one reason I think 4e bards weren't the best version of the class so far, they feel gimped without a meaningfull use for musical isntruments-, yet the potential was there in form of certain class features, magic items and bard rituals. A lot of powers had musical flavor and weapliments for bards were named with the "song-" prefix for a reason. </p><p></p><p>As long as the musical skills are there, I wouldn't mind if the bard had no inherent spellcasting ability and instead picked sorcerer, wizard or druid and advanced spellcasting at half level on one of these classes (with actual multiclass levels stacking) with bonus spells added to get the spells right.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6011511, member: 6689464"] Emphazis mine. Sorry but no. The whole musical approach is what makes the bard class so special to begin with: Basic: Musical skills are about the only thing that makes a bard a bard (at least by late Rules Cyclopedia) 2e: Musical skills are the one thing bards have noone else has, (and IMHO the minstrel is the best Bard across all editions) 3.x: Musical skills got expanded on the transition to 3.5. Outside of core a bard with the right feats could become so focussed on Perform the bard actually turned SAD and was nearly impossible to disrupt. PF: The musical repertorie got expanded and musical skills got severely nerfed. 4e: Musical skills got dumped and reduced to token flavor -and this is the one reason I think 4e bards weren't the best version of the class so far, they feel gimped without a meaningfull use for musical isntruments-, yet the potential was there in form of certain class features, magic items and bard rituals. A lot of powers had musical flavor and weapliments for bards were named with the "song-" prefix for a reason. As long as the musical skills are there, I wouldn't mind if the bard had no inherent spellcasting ability and instead picked sorcerer, wizard or druid and advanced spellcasting at half level on one of these classes (with actual multiclass levels stacking) with bonus spells added to get the spells right. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Class list for PHB
Top