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<blockquote data-quote="ComradeGnull" data-source="post: 6011636" data-attributes="member: 6685694">I'm not sure that putting the Warlord's abilities into a Specialty allows someone to create a character who is the equivalent of a 4e Warlord. Does the specialty cover just the buffing ability of the 4e character, or healing too? What about control/debuff? If I combine Fighter with Warlord-as-specialty, do I maintain the social/interaction utility that I had in 4e? If I combine Warlord with Rogue, don't I sacrifice a lot of survivability? If I am a Cleric-Warlord, do I just gain super strong healing and buffing? How am I different from a baseline cleric? Would there be much incentive for a cleric to choose another specialty if I can buff two core functions with this one?I think if we are proposing to replace a class with a class+specialty combo, it makes sense to look not just at the 'theme' of the class, but also the mechanical niches that it filled- yes 'inspiring leader' can fit with a lot of classes, but Warlord was more than just 'guy who is inspiring'- there were specific things that a Warlord could do in 4e, and a player who played that character class is going to rightly wonder whether or not he can still play the same type character in 5e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ComradeGnull, post: 6011636, member: 6685694"] I'm not sure that putting the Warlord's abilities into a Specialty allows someone to create a character who is the equivalent of a 4e Warlord. Does the specialty cover just the buffing ability of the 4e character, or healing too? What about control/debuff? If I combine Fighter with Warlord-as-specialty, do I maintain the social/interaction utility that I had in 4e? If I combine Warlord with Rogue, don't I sacrifice a lot of survivability? If I am a Cleric-Warlord, do I just gain super strong healing and buffing? How am I different from a baseline cleric? Would there be much incentive for a cleric to choose another specialty if I can buff two core functions with this one? I think if we are proposing to replace a class with a class+specialty combo, it makes sense to look not just at the 'theme' of the class, but also the mechanical niches that it filled- yes 'inspiring leader' can fit with a lot of classes, but Warlord was more than just 'guy who is inspiring'- there were specific things that a Warlord could do in 4e, and a player who played that character class is going to rightly wonder whether or not he can still play the same type character in 5e. [/QUOTE]

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