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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Votan" data-source="post: 2883437" data-attributes="member: 18680">RE: Cleric: I don't know.  I can see the argument here (it was my close contender) but the Dwarf really does bring a lot of nice bonuses.  One feat, if cleverly picked can be better but +2 on all spells and +2 CON are both worth more than a feat.  It's actually the skill points (clerics have a surprisingly good list) that brought the human so close in my view.  RE: Monk: Well, I was deliberately focusing on mechanics and not flavor.  My favorite characters have all been elves despite clearly being mechanically second rate.  By 3rd level the speed penalty is greatly recduced, by 6th level the Monk is as fast as a human barbarian and by 9th level it's unimportant.  Still, I have sympathy for the argument about speed for a class that might be using tumble alot.   :\ RE: 2WF Ranger: well, it's a mechanically inferior option to begin with so it's probably unsurpising that it synergizes poorly with nearly everything.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />   It is a brutal trade but, honestly, nothing in the Ranger has charisma synergy of any kind.  Con bonuses, saving throw bonuses and stability bonuses are all nice and Darkvision, while not superb in range, works always which doens't hurt.  Still, I can see the argument for human here if the speed issue is seen as critical.RE: Rogue: Agree with the goblin.  Half Elf isn't dreadful but a gnome also has low light vision so if this is the key element for the decision then I'd be tempted to explore gnome.With the elf, the better sense bonuses seem to apply more often than gather information and diplomacy.  RE: Sorcerer.  Good points.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Okay, a we disagree on the Half-elf but I can see the point.Of course, your analysis leaves the elf as the race with no obvious "best role".</blockquote>

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