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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Seeten" data-source="post: 2883820" data-attributes="member: 27186">I agree with Half-Orc, although Full Orc is even better. Dwarves are also very good here, as are Humans, not surprisingly.Agreed.Disagree, and also disagree that Turn undead is not a good mechanic. Many excellent Divine Feats make great use of turns even for campaigns that dont use Undead, and if undead do show up, Turning is very powerful. Further, Divine Metamagic is broken, and is powered by Charisma, and Dwarves are not good at that at all. So Humans. For sure.Agreed.Absolutely. Also important to note, Dwarf PrC's are the strongest PrC's in the game, IMO. Dwarven Defender, and some of the RoS classes are very powerful and only dwarves get in. Half-Orcs and Orcs are also good here.I have never even considered a Dwarf Monk, but you make good points. I like Human for monks but your argument here is convincing. Gimme human Paladins every time. Not only do you need the cha(why dont half-elves have a cha bonus? Drop the diplo and the gather info bonuses and give a cha bonus, and they would be SO there) but you need the feats desperately.Agreed.I agree here. Unlike the previous poster who disliked the -2 con, I'll use my point buy, or whatnot to give me a +1 or +2/level. Its enough as a rogue, assuming you dont try to go toe to toe. The +2 dex helps you to not get hit often, in addition. The search, the listen, the spot is all fantastic. Half-elf is a poor man's substitute for the elf. Totally agree. Human Sorc's always. Too many good feats. Also, no phb races have +cha, which makes humans the de facto winner of all cha classes, imo, barring massive other advantages.I agree. Humans are also lovely as wizards, and Elf Generalist Wizards, using racial subs in RotW are also fantastic. Elves take a -2 con, but the Elf Generalist is so potent it makes up for it.I like Human in almost every class, and I agree, Dwarf is a strong choice in many also. As you note, Half-Elf never surfaces. Thats because they are terrible. =P</blockquote>

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