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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8008120" data-attributes="member: 18">Oh, sure, yeah. Just not all-round.No way man. It's more complicated and unnecessary to have one class which has two entirely different spell tables, than two just have two classes, which also would let you bring Warden back, and designing it so just one subclass of many uses the &quot;default&quot; spell table, and all the other subclasses use the &quot;extended&quot; spell table is literally perverse. It'd be fine if Moon Druid had a special spell table which was like a variant half-caster, I guess, like it hits 3 and doesn't progress on spellcasting again until it gets to the half-caster equivalent of 3, but why not just bring in a nature half-caster so you can get Wardens in? They'd fit well with 5E I think. Or just make Moon Druid into &quot;Moon Ranger&quot; or whatever, if you must. PS I like Wardens.Also 5E's multiclassing is a crime. You don't answer one crime by going &quot;It's fine let's do more crime!&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Yeah the design space thing was very noticeable. 3E has the same issue with PrCs, but to a lesser degree. Because basically the only feature full-casters got was &quot;full casting&quot; (and that was already bad enough I admit), it was very difficult to design caster PrCs that didn't either drop full casting (making them really bad in most cases), or be &quot;just better than a normal full caster&quot;. Whereas you could just not give Fighter-equivalents Feats, and give them other stuff instead, so that was a lot easier to design.I'm just saying... I think it could work.Hahahahahahahaahaha wow boy wow if an L2 Moon Druid isn't overpowered, literally nothing in D&amp;D is overpowered or ever has been.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8008120, member: 18"] Oh, sure, yeah. Just not all-round. No way man. It's more complicated and unnecessary to have one class which has two entirely different spell tables, than two just have two classes, which also would let you bring Warden back, and designing it so just one subclass of many uses the "default" spell table, and all the other subclasses use the "extended" spell table is [I]literally[/I] perverse. It'd be fine if Moon Druid had a special spell table which was like a variant half-caster, I guess, like it hits 3 and doesn't progress on spellcasting again until it gets to the half-caster equivalent of 3, but why not just bring in a nature half-caster so you can get Wardens in? They'd fit well with 5E I think. Or just make Moon Druid into "Moon Ranger" or whatever, if you must. PS I like Wardens. Also 5E's multiclassing is a crime. You don't answer one crime by going "It's fine let's do more crime!" :) Yeah the design space thing was very noticeable. 3E has the same issue with PrCs, but to a lesser degree. Because basically the only feature full-casters got was "full casting" (and that was already bad enough I admit), it was very difficult to design caster PrCs that didn't either drop full casting (making them really bad in most cases), or be "just better than a normal full caster". Whereas you could just not give Fighter-equivalents Feats, and give them other stuff instead, so that was a lot easier to design. I'm just saying... I think it could work. Hahahahahahahaahaha wow boy wow if an L2 Moon Druid isn't overpowered, literally nothing in D&D is overpowered or ever has been. [/QUOTE]

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