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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9093267" data-attributes="member: 7635">Did subclasses starting at third level really poll well? I saw a LOT of resistance to it in terms of clerics/sorcs/warlocks, equally as much as something like wild shape or pact magic. It seems odd that people would go &quot;I dislike getting my subclass features at a fixed rate, but please, have all subclasses start at the same level&quot;.I think the &quot;third level subclass&quot; is something that was going to happen regardless of what it polled. We already know there are some things (wild shape's temp hp, twin spell) that are on the dev teams list regardless. (Another example would be racial ASI: I don't think the post-Tasha ASI could poll low enough for them to go back to fixed racial ASI).As for the rest, I think its a wash. Nobody is horribly bothered by the Magic Action, not compared to changing a class feature. And I'm not sure at this point any of the spell changes we've seen will survive. Guidance, Barkskin, Find Familiar and Resistance haven't seen a revision. Is that because they were accepted, or is it because they polled 60% and we're getting some version of the 2014 spell back? We don't know.It just blows my mind NOTHING other than weapon mastery managed to excite people. And I do wonder how (after 6 packets with universal spell lists) they finally said, &quot;oh golly gee, people don't like these!&quot; SIX PACKETS! Did everyone finally wake up on packet 5 and say &quot;you know what, I do not want these&quot; or did WotC say &quot;hmm... Maybe this change is more of a hassle than it's worth. Let's go back to the 2014 lists , it will be easier for backwards compatibility&quot;?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 9093267, member: 7635"] Did subclasses starting at third level really poll well? I saw a LOT of resistance to it in terms of clerics/sorcs/warlocks, equally as much as something like wild shape or pact magic. It seems odd that people would go "I dislike getting my subclass features at a fixed rate, but please, have all subclasses start at the same level". I think the "third level subclass" is something that was going to happen regardless of what it polled. We already know there are some things (wild shape's temp hp, twin spell) that are on the dev teams list regardless. (Another example would be racial ASI: I don't think the post-Tasha ASI could poll low enough for them to go back to fixed racial ASI). As for the rest, I think its a wash. Nobody is horribly bothered by the Magic Action, not compared to changing a class feature. And I'm not sure at this point any of the spell changes we've seen will survive. Guidance, Barkskin, Find Familiar and Resistance haven't seen a revision. Is that because they were accepted, or is it because they polled 60% and we're getting some version of the 2014 spell back? We don't know. It just blows my mind NOTHING other than weapon mastery managed to excite people. And I do wonder how (after 6 packets with universal spell lists) they finally said, "oh golly gee, people don't like these!" SIX PACKETS! Did everyone finally wake up on packet 5 and say "you know what, I do not want these" or did WotC say "hmm... Maybe this change is more of a hassle than it's worth. Let's go back to the 2014 lists , it will be easier for backwards compatibility"? [/QUOTE]

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