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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9101341" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Show me the document that states so. Show me any shred of evidence beyond "I, Mamba believe this is true"</p><p></p><p>You can't just state what other people you've never personally met totally decided in a situation you were not part of.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And yet you keep making the same claims...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because Wizards could look at a single vote of Dissatisfied, along with comments explaining why it was dissatisfied, and take that as a sign to follow the revisions laid out in the comment. This is perfectly logical for them to do. A single vote of dissatisfied does not a 50% rating mean. </p><p></p><p>ESPECIALLY when it needs to be taken in with context of the class rating, and the other ability ratings. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Considering you have repeatedly shown a shocking lack of understanding of statistically significant data, and continue making claims based solely on your own opinions? Yeah, I really don't need to do much here. </p><p></p><p>Your claims include: </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">WoTC being either incompetent or malicious</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Being able to read WoTC's minds on their interpretations of data you have never seen</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Knowing their secret internal data processing procedures, because obviously they are the same as what you would do</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Your own opinions on what things mean</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A general dissatisfaction with the results of the survey you claim is flawed</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Logic based entirely on "everyone else thinks the same way I do, because that is logical"</li> </ul><p></p><p>Why would anyone take that seriously when compared with a decade of research done by professionals, working for a massive corporation, that seems to be leading them to unparalleled financial success?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. Because you are assuming a process always succeeds. Which is false to begin with. And you then are following it up by ignoring that the process was not followed in that first iteration. The Champion Fighter and Berserker Barbarian did not undergo this process before.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How does it not matter that nothing in the process yet has ranked in the 20's, yet you want to claim it is flawed because it leads to results between 80 and 20? </p><p></p><p>Yes, you have claimed "they should ask better questions" but you have ignored any thought that you might not be correct. And I often find myself frustrated by people like you, who with seemingly so very little knowledge on a subject, just decide to declare "Obviously they should do it better! Because I know how to do it better!" But you seem to not know how little you know about... any of this. I don't want to be mean, but you seem to be seriously claiming that finding 1 person in a group of ten who was confused means you need to investigate a 40,000 person survey for "obvious flaws". 10 people alone is 0.00025% of the survey. That is a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a percent. Even the best, absolute BEST statistical data in the entire world has a variance of 1%. </p><p></p><p>You'd need to find AT LEAST 400 people who were confused to have even a CHANCE at it making a single percentage point difference. And the difference between keeping the ability and losing it, between 70% and 50% is 20 points. That is 8,000 people who were so confused as to put data in that appeared to not want something they wanted. While NOT registering that inconsistency in their comments or their overall rankings of the class. </p><p></p><p>You have 1 person. Perhaps as many as 5. And you want to use THAT as evidence that WoTCs processes for data interpretation and collection need a complete overhaul. 5 people, when you would need 8,000.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9101341, member: 6801228"] Show me the document that states so. Show me any shred of evidence beyond "I, Mamba believe this is true" You can't just state what other people you've never personally met totally decided in a situation you were not part of. And yet you keep making the same claims... Because Wizards could look at a single vote of Dissatisfied, along with comments explaining why it was dissatisfied, and take that as a sign to follow the revisions laid out in the comment. This is perfectly logical for them to do. A single vote of dissatisfied does not a 50% rating mean. ESPECIALLY when it needs to be taken in with context of the class rating, and the other ability ratings. Considering you have repeatedly shown a shocking lack of understanding of statistically significant data, and continue making claims based solely on your own opinions? Yeah, I really don't need to do much here. Your claims include: [LIST] [*]WoTC being either incompetent or malicious [*]Being able to read WoTC's minds on their interpretations of data you have never seen [*]Knowing their secret internal data processing procedures, because obviously they are the same as what you would do [*]Your own opinions on what things mean [*]A general dissatisfaction with the results of the survey you claim is flawed [*]Logic based entirely on "everyone else thinks the same way I do, because that is logical" [/LIST] Why would anyone take that seriously when compared with a decade of research done by professionals, working for a massive corporation, that seems to be leading them to unparalleled financial success? No. Because you are assuming a process always succeeds. Which is false to begin with. And you then are following it up by ignoring that the process was not followed in that first iteration. The Champion Fighter and Berserker Barbarian did not undergo this process before. How does it not matter that nothing in the process yet has ranked in the 20's, yet you want to claim it is flawed because it leads to results between 80 and 20? Yes, you have claimed "they should ask better questions" but you have ignored any thought that you might not be correct. And I often find myself frustrated by people like you, who with seemingly so very little knowledge on a subject, just decide to declare "Obviously they should do it better! Because I know how to do it better!" But you seem to not know how little you know about... any of this. I don't want to be mean, but you seem to be seriously claiming that finding 1 person in a group of ten who was confused means you need to investigate a 40,000 person survey for "obvious flaws". 10 people alone is 0.00025% of the survey. That is a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a percent. Even the best, absolute BEST statistical data in the entire world has a variance of 1%. You'd need to find AT LEAST 400 people who were confused to have even a CHANCE at it making a single percentage point difference. And the difference between keeping the ability and losing it, between 70% and 50% is 20 points. That is 8,000 people who were so confused as to put data in that appeared to not want something they wanted. While NOT registering that inconsistency in their comments or their overall rankings of the class. You have 1 person. Perhaps as many as 5. And you want to use THAT as evidence that WoTCs processes for data interpretation and collection need a complete overhaul. 5 people, when you would need 8,000. [/QUOTE]
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