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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9110024" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Yeah, turns out I'm not an expert on the history of Coca-Cola, and have not done in-depth research into their New Coke initiative. I'm sorry that intellectual honesty offends you, but I find it far better to admit when I have a gap in my knowledge than to blindly insist that I must know everything. Also weird how I wrote three paragraphs on the subject, and you quoted three words. Does make someone wonder, since you haven't addressed anything since I initially said I didn't know everything about New Coke.Because them asking us about how much we like someone isn't asking us if they should improve it? For example, if I bake a cake and give it to someone and say &quot;do you like this cake&quot; and they say &quot;it is pretty good, but a bit dry&quot; I might take that response and decide to improve the cake. But I didn't ask them &quot;Should I improve this cake I made?&quot; Because.... that is a different question. Someone like me might always answer that question with &quot;Yes, you should improve it&quot; because you should always improve everything you do. Another person might interpret &quot;should I improve this&quot; as an acknowledgement that somehting is wrong with the piece they have been given, after all, why seek improvement if you are confident it is good? Why are you conflating them using how much we like something to determine if they feel they need to work on improving it with them ASKING us if they should improve it? Would you seriously ever tell a company &quot;No, never improve your product.&quot;? I wouldn't. I want every one to improve every product that exists. Improve beds. Improve cars. Improve computers. Why would I ever NOT want people to make better things? And yeah, WoTC, improve your game, improve the classes, improve the weapons, improve the feats, improve spellcasting, improve monster design, improve adventure design. Make every aspect of the game better. All the time, you should do that thing. Whether I like a class design or not, it should always strive to be a better version of itself. But that isn't what WoTC is asking us, that isn't the question they present.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9110024, member: 6801228"] Yeah, turns out I'm not an expert on the history of Coca-Cola, and have not done in-depth research into their New Coke initiative. I'm sorry that intellectual honesty offends you, but I find it far better to admit when I have a gap in my knowledge than to blindly insist that I must know everything. Also weird how I wrote three paragraphs on the subject, and you quoted three words. Does make someone wonder, since you haven't addressed anything since I initially said I didn't know everything about New Coke. Because them asking us about how much we like someone isn't asking us if they should improve it? For example, if I bake a cake and give it to someone and say "do you like this cake" and they say "it is pretty good, but a bit dry" I might take that response and decide to improve the cake. But I didn't ask them "Should I improve this cake I made?" Because.... that is a different question. Someone like me might always answer that question with "Yes, you should improve it" because you should always improve everything you do. Another person might interpret "should I improve this" as an acknowledgement that somehting is wrong with the piece they have been given, after all, why seek improvement if you are confident it is good? Why are you conflating them using how much we like something to determine if they feel they need to work on improving it with them ASKING us if they should improve it? Would you seriously ever tell a company "No, never improve your product."? I wouldn't. I want every one to improve every product that exists. Improve beds. Improve cars. Improve computers. Why would I ever NOT want people to make better things? And yeah, WoTC, improve your game, improve the classes, improve the weapons, improve the feats, improve spellcasting, improve monster design, improve adventure design. Make every aspect of the game better. All the time, you should do that thing. Whether I like a class design or not, it should always strive to be a better version of itself. But that isn't what WoTC is asking us, that isn't the question they present. [/QUOTE]

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