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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9116117" data-attributes="member: 6801228">1) I NEVER SAID COMPANIES ARE INCAPABLE OF MAKING MISTAKES. Stop acting like proving that means anything in this conversation. It is a strawman. 2) Corporations may move slow in making an initial release, or talking about a plan, but those things DON'T take that long to resolve. That OGL debacle was intense... but it lasted like three months? Again, that is not the same as saying that for the last DECADE WOTC has been making a continous, blatant mistake with their surveys by having a massive lack of quality control and no concept of the questions they are asking. These two things are working on completely different time scales.What about selling a figure to kids that has them eating that figure's poop? Not only a real product, but MULTIPLE real and ongoing products. What about selling clothes about how sexually appealing your baby is? Those have been highly popular for years. Same is true for the exact same clothes for toddlers. How about guns for kids? Those are super popular as well, even as they get children killed and injured.If you are telling me that only a minority of people hated the product, then knowing that these other fairly disgusting products are commercially successful... then I have to wonder how "obvious" it was that this was a product that was going to sell poorly. Maybe like the "my baby is a sex icon" shirts, people would just laugh it off like it is a joke and not be offended. But lets step back here for a second, and review. Firstly, whether or not Toys R Us made a mistake is immaterial to WoTC's survey. Secondly, you seem to only know "they released this product. I find it obviously bad, and it did badly, and that should have been obvious." You don't seem to know anything about the development, research, literally anything else about the product. You just have the postion that it was obviously bad and anyone who disagrees with you was stupid. But, again, I've literally seen kids toys sold where the entire premise is the toy will poop something, and the kid is supposed to eat it. I'd have told that was an obviously terrible idea... but it seems to sell well enough that there are MULTIPLE toys that have this "gimmick". So, if you (general) can't rely on "common sense" for what is commercially viable... then all you (specific) really have to prove Toys R Us "made a blunder" is that the product did poorly and they pulled it.... which would have been non-obvious before it was actually released.I didn't drive you anywhere. I picked a successful business (sure, past tense) and asked a question. If you then want to force me to be responsible for you answer, because my question "necessitated" that answer, then you are deflecting that responsibility onto me. I didn't bring luck into the equation, my question didn't "necessitate" the answer of "luck". You did that. The fact you keep trying to blame me for your answer is just ridiculous.Great, so once again you have answered the question. Skill plays a large part in the success of corporation. Corporations that have lasted a long time, or that are highly successful, likely have a lot of skilled people involved in them. More skilled perhaps than a layman who doesn't know the business. And, while corporations CAN blunder, they do not do it "often". Your New Coke example is nearly 40 years old, and you are going to struggle to find Coca-Cola making a major blunder every year, or even every three years. They wouldn't be the global force they are if they made mistakes that often. So, taking us back to my original point. If the best evidence we have of WoTCs failed quality control standards on their survey is one guy on  the internet saying he misunderstood it, and a few vague grumbles that it is "bad" despite the survey process not having led to a single commercial flop... why should I believe that WoTC has failed in the quality control of their survey? Because it is possible to make mistakes? Sure, but by that logic I should believe my doctor is going to kill me and my mechanic is going to ruin my car, because both things are "possible". The evidence is lacking, especially when faced with a successful company continuing to use these surveys to make successful products.You do understand that not everyone who gets promoted inside a company is a mediocre person, and additionally you understand that mediocre people are not guaranteed to make mistakes and thirdly, not every mistake is a large mistake, right? Seriously, this has nothing to do with this strawman of "can a company make a mistake". Of course they can make a mistake. EVERYONE can make mistakes. But if you don't have EVIDENCE of a mistake, why should I believe a mistake has happened? And if you want me to believe it has been an ongoing mistake for a DECADE that only randos on the internet have caught.... you are going to need stronger evidence than "because we said so and companies aren't perfect."</blockquote>

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