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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9126679" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>"roughly equivalent" eventually falls down & bursts into flames. [spoiler="For example"]</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">L5 sorc wiz cleric or druid has 4/3/2 first second & third level slots amounting to 27 spell points worth of spell slots per long rest. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a L5 warlock has 2 level 3 slots amounting to 6 spell points per short rest plus AREB & the new bladelock second attack thing & various invocations.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ABRB is easily a leveled spell equivalent at this point & the hexblade thing is <em>multiple</em> fighter features but the warlock can still credibly claim "I <em>need</em> those short rests to keep up with them" while pointing at almost anyone at the table</li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A L7 sorc wiz cleric or druid has 4/3/3/1 first through fifth level slots amounting to 33 spell points worth of slots<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a L7 warlock has two 4th level slots amounting to 12 spell points, a short rest.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Same as before, a warlock can point at someone & claim they need those short rests to keep up... <em>Except</em> by a third rest it exceeds the raw spellpoint cost alone and the warlock still has all the warlock stuff given with the intent of bridging the gap that just reversed.</li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A L11 sorc wiz cleric or druid has 4/3/3/3/2/1 first through 6th level slots totaling 73 spell points<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The warlock has 3x fifth level pact slots worth 21 spell points per short rest plus a sixth level arcanum worth an extra 9 spellpoints totaling 30 spell points per long rest and ABRB along with the hexblade thing have once again improved. Of critical importance at this level is that it only takes about 3 short rests to meet or exceed those other casters but the warlock has trivially been able to blow all 21 spell points worth of pact slots most every rest & the other casters are still likely sitting on a bunch of low level slots that might as well not even exist to them most days.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">At level 14 the sorcerer wizard cleric & druid have each gained a single seventh level spell slot worth 10 spell points.. No other spell slots of any level are gained by those four but the warlock has also gained the same seventh level arcanum slot plus that third 5th level pact slot they got after the other 4 had slot gains frozen on lower slots so they still get 21 spell points worth of slots each short rest which they were probably able to burn through making them all count before adding warlock stuff</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">At 17 ABRB once again improves alongside the hexblade stuff to give the warlock multiple fighter features with a 4th attack before the fighter even has it on top of the 4th 5th level pact slot (28 spell points worth per SR) & the level 8/level 9 arcanum</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">orc wiz cleric or druid has gained a single 8th & 9th level slot with all other spells haven been frozen since level 11</li> </ul><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>Somewhere in tier2 the short rest classes like warlock should have their short rest stuff freeze like regular casters see& the warlock should start getting long rest resources. Instead warlock seems to be trying to give an equivalent to 3.5 wiz or even 3.5 sorc slot progression.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9126679, member: 93670"] "roughly equivalent" eventually falls down & bursts into flames. [spoiler="For example"] [LIST] [*]L5 sorc wiz cleric or druid has 4/3/2 first second & third level slots amounting to 27 spell points worth of spell slots per long rest. [LIST] [*]a L5 warlock has 2 level 3 slots amounting to 6 spell points per short rest plus AREB & the new bladelock second attack thing & various invocations. [LIST] [*]ABRB is easily a leveled spell equivalent at this point & the hexblade thing is [I]multiple[/I] fighter features but the warlock can still credibly claim "I [I]need[/I] those short rests to keep up with them" while pointing at almost anyone at the table [/LIST] [/LIST] [*]A L7 sorc wiz cleric or druid has 4/3/3/1 first through fifth level slots amounting to 33 spell points worth of slots [LIST] [*]a L7 warlock has two 4th level slots amounting to 12 spell points, a short rest. [LIST] [*]Same as before, a warlock can point at someone & claim they need those short rests to keep up... [I]Except[/I] by a third rest it exceeds the raw spellpoint cost alone and the warlock still has all the warlock stuff given with the intent of bridging the gap that just reversed. [/LIST] [/LIST] [*]A L11 sorc wiz cleric or druid has 4/3/3/3/2/1 first through 6th level slots totaling 73 spell points [LIST] [*]The warlock has 3x fifth level pact slots worth 21 spell points per short rest plus a sixth level arcanum worth an extra 9 spellpoints totaling 30 spell points per long rest and ABRB along with the hexblade thing have once again improved. Of critical importance at this level is that it only takes about 3 short rests to meet or exceed those other casters but the warlock has trivially been able to blow all 21 spell points worth of pact slots most every rest & the other casters are still likely sitting on a bunch of low level slots that might as well not even exist to them most days. [/LIST] [*]At level 14 the sorcerer wizard cleric & druid have each gained a single seventh level spell slot worth 10 spell points.. No other spell slots of any level are gained by those four but the warlock has also gained the same seventh level arcanum slot plus that third 5th level pact slot they got after the other 4 had slot gains frozen on lower slots so they still get 21 spell points worth of slots each short rest which they were probably able to burn through making them all count before adding warlock stuff [*]At 17 ABRB once again improves alongside the hexblade stuff to give the warlock multiple fighter features with a 4th attack before the fighter even has it on top of the 4th 5th level pact slot (28 spell points worth per SR) & the level 8/level 9 arcanum [*]orc wiz cleric or druid has gained a single 8th & 9th level slot with all other spells haven been frozen since level 11 [/LIST] [/spoiler] Somewhere in tier2 the short rest classes like warlock should have their short rest stuff freeze like regular casters see& the warlock should start getting long rest resources. Instead warlock seems to be trying to give an equivalent to 3.5 wiz or even 3.5 sorc slot progression. [/QUOTE]
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