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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7842382" data-attributes="member: 6716779">I will be going through the archetypes from these two books and putting them into a tier list. Some slight changes from last time I will be using S tier and A,B,C,D  as tier 1-4 is used to describe levels of play in 5E.The archetypes will also be rated on how good they are in the exploration, combat and social pillars with a roughly 30% rating in each of them but 40% in the combat pillar which lets face it most class discussions revolve around. Utility will also be considered.Sometimes exceptions do exist, I rated the battlemaster very high last time around as its so front loaded at low levels. In the combat pillar I use a sword and board fighter or a Rogue as a default.I will also make the following assumptions.1. A reasonable amount of character optimization. This means an archer probably takes the sharpshooter feat, a warlock probably takes eldritch blast. Uber feat combos and multiclassing are not considered but such builds can definitely move things up. Feat combos generally won't be considered.2. Feats are used.3. 6-8 encounters are used along with 2 short rests a'la the default expectation of 5E4.  Default array is used.This is mostly to set a baseline. Obviously if you use rolled stats and roll high that will make a big difference with some classes. I may make a note of this in the review ie bump it up a tier if you have uber stats as some archetypes are way more MAD than others. Those classes tend to be spellcasting classes that have a warrior type expectation built into them but can only wear medium armor eg valor bards, death clerics.The difference between S and A is also not that much. For example a high level wizard might be S tier while another is A tier. That doesn't imply the class is weak just the archetype in S is better than the one in A. Other archetypes may also be rated differently as its very very difficult to state what one is truly different. For example a life cleric might be S tier while a invoker wizard is A tier for example. Both are very good classes but its really hard to say what one is better due to what they're good at and its not like a life cleric or invoker are going to duke it out one on one and in any event its a crap way of judging a class.The archetypes will also be rated on the tiers- local heroes (1-4), Heroes of the Realm (5-10), Masters of the Realm (11-16), Masters of the World (17-20)As an overall guide to class power I also rate level 1-10 far higher than level 11-20. This is a guideline only YMMV based on a variety of factors which no guide can ever really account for or just how you value the pillars. I rated combat higher as its fairly easy to judge.I'll probably go through SCAG and Xanathars in order, but I can do requests. I'll also do it by the tiers in game so the archetypes will be rated in local heroes first.</blockquote>

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