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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7843939" data-attributes="member: 6750235">I would agree except bards have some solid choices in the spell list not available to clerics.  Sleep has no save while a 13 DC makes a lot of spells look better than they are (until later), for example.Which is more effective -- sleep or bless?  There's a lot of opinion in a question like that.  Especially given the premise of limited spell slots mentioned regarding other classes.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I would argue 1st level spells vs 1st level spells is roughly equal but applied in different areas.  This was already mentioned but in case anyone misses it, cutting words doesn't apply to saves.Clerics get channel divinity and better armor matters more than +2 on from another skill or expertise in this tier, imo.  And guidance says hi.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />It's not like clerics don't have benefits.  3 inspiration dice per day doesn't beat 3 channel divinities based on the 2 short rest assumption.Clerics also have more prepped spells than any other class preps or knows at a time when this is the most restricted.Cutting words creates a lot more competition for those dice.  So do the flourishes.I don't agree that swords obsoletes valor except for the shield either.  Valor gains martial weapon proficiency that swords does not.  I can build GWM into a valor bard and not use a shield but swords is TWF or dueling without a shield.</blockquote>

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