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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7844014" data-attributes="member: 6750235">It's your OP that says you are taking feats into consideration.&nbsp; Valor is the way to go for that good feat.That's why I said it's a bit more MAD but the only difference is in stopping investing in DEX that a swords bard continues to build and taking STR instead.I can do both.&nbsp; It's hard to call weapons a red herring when weapon benefits apply at every level college abilities are gained.&nbsp; Martial weapons, extra attack, cast and attack.Neglecting support and thinking the option is about damage is a mistake, but adding some damge isn't.No, because extra attack is better than cantrips earlier and battle magic is better later.A valor bard can pick up GFB and spiritual weapon at 10th level then swap out spiritual weapon at 14th when battle magic takes up the bonus action.Lore bards are not good damage compared to weapon users.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7844014, member: 6750235"] It's your OP that says you are taking feats into consideration. Valor is the way to go for that good feat. That's why I said it's a bit more MAD but the only difference is in stopping investing in DEX that a swords bard continues to build and taking STR instead. I can do both. It's hard to call weapons a red herring when weapon benefits apply at every level college abilities are gained. Martial weapons, extra attack, cast and attack. Neglecting support and thinking the option is about damage is a mistake, but adding some damge isn't. No, because extra attack is better than cantrips earlier and battle magic is better later. A valor bard can pick up GFB and spiritual weapon at 10th level then swap out spiritual weapon at 14th when battle magic takes up the bonus action. Lore bards are not good damage compared to weapon users. [/QUOTE]

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