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<blockquote data-quote="tlantl" data-source="post: 6004103" data-attributes="member: 55225">I wouldn't mind there being a section in the DMG or monster manual that described using monsters with classes but I wouldn't want them designed the way they were in 3e where everything that wasn't outfitted with natural weapons being an npc classed character.I would like for there to be a supplement published later with a lot of these monsters using classed levels or some more streamlined version of the classes. There could be several versions of these monsters ready for use at different levels.I really liked that the humanoid monsters in 3e were built with character classes. I didn't like the way they worked in practice . My enthusiasm for the system waned quickly once I had to sit down and build nearly all of the monsters for every encounter I designed. Thousands of hours pouring over characters, classes and filling out what amounted to several folders full of creations, all of which were killed off to be discarded was unacceptable. I missed AD&amp;D's simple monsters and even simpler stat blocks, most of which were no more than a single line of shorthand notes and an array of hitpoints. Leader types had slightly higher attack and hd numbers and that was that. In 3rd even a simple animal or magical beast took up a quarter of a page. Believe it or not having an attack matrix and a saving throw chart was so much easier than having a half dozen different modified attacks and saving throws written on each monster. I firmly believe that having only one armor class is the best way to go.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tlantl, post: 6004103, member: 55225"] I wouldn't mind there being a section in the DMG or monster manual that described using monsters with classes but I wouldn't want them designed the way they were in 3e where everything that wasn't outfitted with natural weapons being an npc classed character. I would like for there to be a supplement published later with a lot of these monsters using classed levels or some more streamlined version of the classes. There could be several versions of these monsters ready for use at different levels. I really liked that the humanoid monsters in 3e were built with character classes. I didn't like the way they worked in practice . My enthusiasm for the system waned quickly once I had to sit down and build nearly all of the monsters for every encounter I designed. Thousands of hours pouring over characters, classes and filling out what amounted to several folders full of creations, all of which were killed off to be discarded was unacceptable. I missed AD&D's simple monsters and even simpler stat blocks, most of which were no more than a single line of shorthand notes and an array of hitpoints. Leader types had slightly higher attack and hd numbers and that was that. In 3rd even a simple animal or magical beast took up a quarter of a page. Believe it or not having an attack matrix and a saving throw chart was so much easier than having a half dozen different modified attacks and saving throws written on each monster. I firmly believe that having only one armor class is the best way to go. [/QUOTE]

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