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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6004109" data-attributes="member: 1465">I've always felt the same. For me the fantasy world is and will always be an environment of its own, not built around the PCs. The gaming action is, but not the world.So for me the idea of having the possibility to use the same rules for monsters as I use for PCs is very important.Then the truth is, that I don't always use them! I use them when I want to, but actually the majority of times I fudge those rules... I definitely didn't really need to pick all the skills and feats for classed monsters in 3ed, if all I needed was to setup a more powerful Ogre that the PCs will kill in 4-5 rounds of combat. But I was glad that I could add levels of Fighter or Cleric on such Ogre and present it as an Ogre Fighter or Ogre Cleric. It really didn't matter for me to design it &quot;perfectly&quot; according to the rules (that is mostly important only with monsters as PC), but that was my choice.But if the game instead doesn't give me the choice, because other DMs thinks they don't need it, then for me it's a huge disappointment.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6004109, member: 1465"] I've always felt the same. For me the fantasy world is and will always be an environment of its own, not built around the PCs. The [I]gaming action[/I] is, but not the world. So for me the idea of having the possibility to use the same rules for monsters as I use for PCs is very important. Then the truth is, that I don't always use them! I use them [I]when I want to[/I], but actually the majority of times I fudge those rules... I definitely didn't really need to pick all the skills and feats for classed monsters in 3ed, if all I needed was to setup a more powerful Ogre that the PCs will kill in 4-5 rounds of combat. But I was glad that I could add levels of Fighter or Cleric on such Ogre and present it as an Ogre Fighter or Ogre Cleric. It really didn't matter for me to design it "perfectly" according to the rules (that is mostly important only with [I]monsters as PC[/I]), but [B]that was my choice[/B]. But if the game instead doesn't give me the choice, because [I]other[/I] DMs thinks they don't need it, then for me it's a huge disappointment. [/QUOTE]

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