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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Starbuck_II" data-source="post: 5398787" data-attributes="member: 61375">Agreed. Rogue shouldn't be a stand by. Can maybe, but not all players have mastered the game yet: most still fall in traps like Mystic Thuerge (sounds cool), etc.You should remember some players haven't evolved past new in some ways. They now understand their own class, but not always beyond that.  Majority of your players. Because you haven't met majority of all players.Still a couple rogue levels? No one said full rogue levels: he never said without multiclassing.  By time that it gets that high a level: the rogue can just buy a UMD able object like a wand. He meant for low levels. No, they deal damage when Rogue is sneak attacking. Now remember unless you are all focusing on same target who cares if Pally destroyed other mobs he is killing his. If you Crit the enemy: some enemies can't be Crit, but can still be dirty tricked.I've never seen one campaign where it was neccsary to have more than a few Fighter levels. I have seen a Rogue one before though.Agreed.In your groups. In 3.5, I've seen many effective rogues. Rings of Blink for example used to be amazingly effective (always get sneak attack). But no longer works in PF due to Blink was changed sadly.</blockquote>