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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 5950552" data-attributes="member: 63508">[MENTION=7175]jadrax[/MENTION]The Rogue can stay at Tier 1. It is the iconic sneaky skill monkey and to me would be the second most common adventurer class. To me any Joe Everyman who can't fight or isn't magic is probably a rogue. It is the upgrade of the commoner or expert who doesn't get training from someone nor has image combat ability.I left Psion at 3 because to me, it feels to similar to Sorceror. I see both classes using a spell point/powerpoint system. &nbsp;[MENTION=14506]Sadrik[/MENTION]Basically my process if I were determining which classes are classes and which are themes, I'd ask myself this:Can I take a traditional class, add 3-6 sentences (representing the 3 feats of a theme), and get this new class.Druid: &quot;Lets see I'll take the cleric as the base, add wildshape. Wait! There is no way I can condense wildshape into a nonbroken or nongarbage feat. Maybe. As a spell but it would still be to strong to just hand out and be choosable. Druid goes in the Tier 2 bin.&quot;Monk: &quot;Okay. Fighter or Rogue base. Flurry of blows can be done as a feat. So can improved unarmed damage. Monkish backfliping and stuff. Ability checks maybe... Wisdom to AC? That is too close to broken maybe. Quivering palm. Fists hard as steel. I don't think it all can fit as a theme. Tier 2 bin&quot;Psion: &quot;Okay it is like a variant wizard or sorceror. Have to change the Magic ability score and adjust the spell list. Don't think I can make it into a feat. Especially without making it broken. Tier 3 as it is vary similar to other caster classes.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 5950552, member: 63508"] [MENTION=7175]jadrax[/MENTION] The Rogue can stay at Tier 1. It is the iconic sneaky skill monkey and to me would be the second most common adventurer class. To me any Joe Everyman who can't fight or isn't magic is probably a rogue. It is the upgrade of the commoner or expert who doesn't get training from someone nor has image combat ability. I left Psion at 3 because to me, it feels to similar to Sorceror. I see both classes using a spell point/powerpoint system. [MENTION=14506]Sadrik[/MENTION] Basically my process if I were determining which classes are classes and which are themes, I'd ask myself this: Can I take a traditional class, add 3-6 sentences (representing the 3 feats of a theme), and get this new class. Druid: "Lets see I'll take the cleric as the base, add wildshape. Wait! There is no way I can condense wildshape into a nonbroken or nongarbage feat. Maybe. As a spell but it would still be to strong to just hand out and be choosable. Druid goes in the Tier 2 bin." Monk: "Okay. Fighter or Rogue base. Flurry of blows can be done as a feat. So can improved unarmed damage. Monkish backfliping and stuff. Ability checks maybe... Wisdom to AC? That is too close to broken maybe. Quivering palm. Fists hard as steel. I don't think it all can fit as a theme. Tier 2 bin" Psion: "Okay it is like a variant wizard or sorceror. Have to change the Magic ability score and adjust the spell list. Don't think I can make it into a feat. Especially without making it broken. Tier 3 as it is vary similar to other caster classes." [/QUOTE]

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