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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 3761331" data-attributes="member: 7635">The issue Merric is talking about is the element of &quot;Importance Factor&quot;. No one likes to be left out of a group. If everyone is having fun, you want to be part of that. Some people don't mind sitting in the shadows and quietly lending support, but I don't think a class (any class) should be built on that assumption. People want to make active choices. Choices that have &quot;Importance&quot;. The time my cure spell saved Tordek's life is exciting, the time I gave Tordek a +1 to hit and fear saves is not. Merric felt like his options (hence, his choices) were inconsequential. The monsters would have fallen just as well without his extra +2 to flank or his ability to ignore 1 point of cover AC. Compare that to magic weapon (which a fighter needed to defeat the grick's DR) and you see the difference. We've all had fights were we have &quot;nothing&quot; to do in a round; the fighter vs a swarm, the rogue vs a golem, etc. However, some classes (looking at you bard) have &quot;do nothing&quot; as a pretty constant action (how's that +1 doing guys?) That not dynamic. Thats not fun. So hopefully, 4e will take that element of the leader to heart and add a &quot;look what I can do&quot; to the &quot;look what I'm doing for you&quot; classes...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 3761331, member: 7635"] The issue Merric is talking about is the element of "Importance Factor". No one likes to be left out of a group. If everyone is having fun, you want to be part of that. Some people don't mind sitting in the shadows and quietly lending support, but I don't think a class (any class) should be built on that assumption. People want to make active choices. Choices that have "Importance". The time my cure spell saved Tordek's life is exciting, the time I gave Tordek a +1 to hit and fear saves is not. Merric felt like his options (hence, his choices) were inconsequential. The monsters would have fallen just as well without his extra +2 to flank or his ability to ignore 1 point of cover AC. Compare that to magic weapon (which a fighter needed to defeat the grick's DR) and you see the difference. We've all had fights were we have "nothing" to do in a round; the fighter vs a swarm, the rogue vs a golem, etc. However, some classes (looking at you bard) have "do nothing" as a pretty constant action (how's that +1 doing guys?) That not dynamic. Thats not fun. So hopefully, 4e will take that element of the leader to heart and add a "look what I can do" to the "look what I'm doing for you" classes... [/QUOTE]

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