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<blockquote data-quote="Coroc" data-source="post: 7343597" data-attributes="member: 6895991">If, then rather Ranger Dex Con thats the classic Approach (in 1e Rangers even had 2d8 starting HP)And rogue Dex Cha??? Surely not, it's Dex Int, i agree that rogues should have perception keyed from int eventually.Sorcerer it is Cha Con unless you totally remod the sorc. I know it started as an Int class but sorcerer is uncontrolled raw Magic it does not have to do with learning, laws and logic.I would require sorcerers to have a non lawful, preferable chaotic alignment. Fighter should be eventually a Dex / Con Option but it is the same like rogue with perception and wis, it just has a three attribute dependancy for that class, those two classes got the most attribute increases anyway to compensate.As by PHB there is another factor you might not have taken into account: the three classic saves are Con Wis and Dex, many spells of the charm class have been shoehorned into the Cha save (to make this stat even stronger) , personally i had prefered if 5E had stayed with the 3 save concept of 3E, and do e.g. Str checks for those situations where it does make most sense e.g. getting caught or grappled, but i can live with how it is, and it is not perfectly balanced but pretty good.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coroc, post: 7343597, member: 6895991"] If, then rather Ranger Dex Con thats the classic Approach (in 1e Rangers even had 2d8 starting HP) And rogue Dex Cha??? Surely not, it's Dex Int, i agree that rogues should have perception keyed from int eventually. Sorcerer it is Cha Con unless you totally remod the sorc. I know it started as an Int class but sorcerer is uncontrolled raw Magic it does not have to do with learning, laws and logic. I would require sorcerers to have a non lawful, preferable chaotic alignment. Fighter should be eventually a Dex / Con Option but it is the same like rogue with perception and wis, it just has a three attribute dependancy for that class, those two classes got the most attribute increases anyway to compensate. As by PHB there is another factor you might not have taken into account: the three classic saves are Con Wis and Dex, many spells of the charm class have been shoehorned into the Cha save (to make this stat even stronger) , personally i had prefered if 5E had stayed with the 3 save concept of 3E, and do e.g. Str checks for those situations where it does make most sense e.g. getting caught or grappled, but i can live with how it is, and it is not perfectly balanced but pretty good. [/QUOTE]

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