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<blockquote data-quote="MechaTarrasque" data-source="post: 7343765" data-attributes="member: 6801226">&lt;br&gt;I think the justification for using charisma as a casting stat was that it was &quot;strength of personality&quot;, which may or may not mean &quot;force of will.&quot;  I think &quot;not going crazy&quot; is more a wisdom thing (which I tend to think of as &quot;sees the 'true' mystical nature of reality&quot;), but that brings up issues (clerics vs. warlocks, and the whole &quot;warlock is doing something foolish&quot; trope).  I have read too many Weird Tales type stories where the smart guy looks where he isn't supposed to and gets eaten (or worse), so I figure that if smart guys tend to make unsuccessful warlocks, successful warlocks must have something else going for them (although a case for good con, as opposed to cha, might work, as in if my body can support my mind to make a tough concentration save, it can help when looking the Queen of Air and Darkness).  I don't feel too strongly about it, though, as I think warlock is definitely a class that could be free of a primary stat (leaving that to subclasses).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the goal is to get one or more classes out of the cha casting business, my vote is for sorcerers to be the arcane wisdom class (as sorcerers being attuned to magic fits the &quot;sees the 'true' mystical nature of reality&quot; idea really well).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MechaTarrasque, post: 7343765, member: 6801226"] I think the justification for using charisma as a casting stat was that it was "strength of personality", which may or may not mean "force of will." I think "not going crazy" is more a wisdom thing (which I tend to think of as "sees the 'true' mystical nature of reality"), but that brings up issues (clerics vs. warlocks, and the whole "warlock is doing something foolish" trope). I have read too many Weird Tales type stories where the smart guy looks where he isn't supposed to and gets eaten (or worse), so I figure that if smart guys tend to make unsuccessful warlocks, successful warlocks must have something else going for them (although a case for good con, as opposed to cha, might work, as in if my body can support my mind to make a tough concentration save, it can help when looking the Queen of Air and Darkness). I don't feel too strongly about it, though, as I think warlock is definitely a class that could be free of a primary stat (leaving that to subclasses). If the goal is to get one or more classes out of the cha casting business, my vote is for sorcerers to be the arcane wisdom class (as sorcerers being attuned to magic fits the "sees the 'true' mystical nature of reality" idea really well). [/QUOTE]

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