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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DaveDash" data-source="post: 6631429" data-attributes="member: 6786202">Avatar of Battle is a level 17 ability. You're arguing the merits of a class based on an ability that most people will never use? I agree it's awesome and makes the War Cleric awesome... but at level 17. I'm purposely ignoring it for this very reason.The Light Cleric comparison isn't really Apples to Apples and not really getting through to you, so let's look at the Life and Tempest classes.They can do everything you can do - they can take shillelagh and all the same feats you can. They can cast the same spells you can. The *only* advantage you have is you get some nice domain spells on your spell list without having to prepare them. Meanwhile, the Life Cleric gets an amazing support ability... *much* better than your "make an extra attack as a bonus action" (since we've already established Spiritual Weapon here is better). The Tempest Cleric gets much better damage output, but can still tank just as well as you.In terms of channel divinity abilities. The War Clerics are not that great, because they can be replaced with the inspiration mechanic. They're not too bad, but they're not awesome. Tempest Cleric Destructive Wave is nice (unless you're trying to be quiet or underground!) and can really add to the damage the Tempest Cleric can do.. and again.. he's still tanking just as good as you are but also doing more damage! Life Cleric is not doing much damage at this point, but he's fulfilling the tanking roll extremely well, since his healing spells cast on others now heal himself, and are more effective full stop. You also cited that Healing spells are one of the reasons you play Cleric, and not Paladin, so they're obviously pretty important to you. If you dropped War Cleric and switched to Life or Tempest, you wouldn't lose much and gain a lot. And that's why those classes are Tier 1, and the War Cleric is Tier 2.</blockquote>

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