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<blockquote data-quote="RCanine" data-source="post: 6954230" data-attributes="member: 85040"><p>I could see conjure animals being good in some circumstances, but it's highly dependent on your DM being gracious. There's nothing preventing the DM from ruling 8 CR 1/4 or lower creatures are all CR zero because the spell is annoying, and like [MENTION=6716779]Zardnaar[/MENTION] said, they're also vulnerable to AoE and damage immunities.</p><p></p><p>The three spells I quoted remain relevant to varying degrees for the cleric's entire career and are not situational at all.</p><p></p><p>Your argument about AC is silly; with only 5 ASIs in their career, what Druid is going to spend 2-3 of them on Dex?</p><p></p><p>There are two other things Clerics get that druids don't that are worth mentioning:</p><p></p><p>* Extra Cantrip or attack damage scaling at level 8</p><p>* The ability to use a weapon and shield without Warcaster due to the emblem spell focus type</p><p></p><p>I disagree with Zard that Land druid's wild shape becomes useless, I think it lets the Druid use WS in exploration/social pillars instead; Moon Druid is stuck using WS for combat.</p><p></p><p>Personally I love druids, but I think they got the short end of the stick design-wise in 5E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RCanine, post: 6954230, member: 85040"] I could see conjure animals being good in some circumstances, but it's highly dependent on your DM being gracious. There's nothing preventing the DM from ruling 8 CR 1/4 or lower creatures are all CR zero because the spell is annoying, and like [MENTION=6716779]Zardnaar[/MENTION] said, they're also vulnerable to AoE and damage immunities. The three spells I quoted remain relevant to varying degrees for the cleric's entire career and are not situational at all. Your argument about AC is silly; with only 5 ASIs in their career, what Druid is going to spend 2-3 of them on Dex? There are two other things Clerics get that druids don't that are worth mentioning: * Extra Cantrip or attack damage scaling at level 8 * The ability to use a weapon and shield without Warcaster due to the emblem spell focus type I disagree with Zard that Land druid's wild shape becomes useless, I think it lets the Druid use WS in exploration/social pillars instead; Moon Druid is stuck using WS for combat. Personally I love druids, but I think they got the short end of the stick design-wise in 5E. [/QUOTE]
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