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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Captain Panda" data-source="post: 6954253" data-attributes="member: 6861845">Well, technically true, but I don't think basing an argument on the notion that a DM can be a jerk and not allow you to use your abilities is a fair one. Even if it was, it cuts both ways. "Yeah, your God is in a mood today, your spell fizzled. Maybe you shouldn't have done that arguably evil thing back in town, mate. Paladine isn't digging it." They do. They're solid spells. Spike growth, goodberry, and conjure animals also remain relevant. Even if not for damage, terrain control and added damage soaking is an excellent use for summons. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I definitely think dex is worth pumping up.Might be a decent point, but warcaster is always my first feat for the advantage on maintaining concentration. I main a druid, and as much as I would enjoy getting a power boost... really, it isn't needed. We're strong enough as it is. Maybe a tad too strong. I've never seen a cleric reach the same level of combat effectiveness as a druid or a wizard in any of the campaigns I've DMed or played in.</blockquote>