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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6180385" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Tovec, I am not trying to use language to force people to agree with me. Don't attribute motives. I was simply providing an example of how it could be done if we wanted to do it that way - not telling people they had no choice but to do it that way.</p><p></p><p>I do think Druids, Paladins, Rangers, and domain clerics, all use divinely sourced magic. In many of those cases, it's deity-magic that is filtered through an intermediary, but I think those are all divine classes. But maybe not, let's see how they write the flavor text.</p><p></p><p>I also think Arcane magic is the catch-all for non-divine magic. It has no real meaning aside from secretive and obscure or hidden. It's been used to include studied and spontaneous magic of all sorts, that isn't divine in nature. </p><p></p><p>Now I can see making warlocks divine magic or arcane, depending on the flavor that goes with the text. If they're getting their magic from a demon, I can see how that magic could be divine nature, through a demon intermediary. I can also see how it would be non-divine in nature, and therefore arcane.</p><p></p><p>But for Psionics, I think if they want to combine it with arcane, I see no problem with it from my perspective. It's clearly not divine (even the Deryni books made it clear there was a distinction between Deryni's psionic magic and the divine magic of the healers). It seems to fit, from my perspective, as much as sorcerer's magic fits with arcane (spontaneous innate talent that is not learned from studying). </p><p></p><p>In fact, the difference between the "source of power" between Sorcerers and Psions has always escaped me. What exactly is the difference between a genetic predisposition to spontaneous non-divine <em>arcane-spell </em>abilities (Sorcerers) and predisposition to spontaneous non-divine <em>spell-like</em> abilities (Psions)? That already seems like a pretty fine, and not very meaningful, difference. Is moving an object with your "mind" really so different than moving an object with your hand gestures and your mind, such that it requires an entirely different source of that magical-seeming effect?</p><p></p><p>I get that some people prefer it that way. What I don't get is why it matters so much, given the differences seem pretty vague.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6180385, member: 2525"] Tovec, I am not trying to use language to force people to agree with me. Don't attribute motives. I was simply providing an example of how it could be done if we wanted to do it that way - not telling people they had no choice but to do it that way. I do think Druids, Paladins, Rangers, and domain clerics, all use divinely sourced magic. In many of those cases, it's deity-magic that is filtered through an intermediary, but I think those are all divine classes. But maybe not, let's see how they write the flavor text. I also think Arcane magic is the catch-all for non-divine magic. It has no real meaning aside from secretive and obscure or hidden. It's been used to include studied and spontaneous magic of all sorts, that isn't divine in nature. Now I can see making warlocks divine magic or arcane, depending on the flavor that goes with the text. If they're getting their magic from a demon, I can see how that magic could be divine nature, through a demon intermediary. I can also see how it would be non-divine in nature, and therefore arcane. But for Psionics, I think if they want to combine it with arcane, I see no problem with it from my perspective. It's clearly not divine (even the Deryni books made it clear there was a distinction between Deryni's psionic magic and the divine magic of the healers). It seems to fit, from my perspective, as much as sorcerer's magic fits with arcane (spontaneous innate talent that is not learned from studying). In fact, the difference between the "source of power" between Sorcerers and Psions has always escaped me. What exactly is the difference between a genetic predisposition to spontaneous non-divine [I]arcane-spell [/I]abilities (Sorcerers) and predisposition to spontaneous non-divine [I]spell-like[/I] abilities (Psions)? That already seems like a pretty fine, and not very meaningful, difference. Is moving an object with your "mind" really so different than moving an object with your hand gestures and your mind, such that it requires an entirely different source of that magical-seeming effect? I get that some people prefer it that way. What I don't get is why it matters so much, given the differences seem pretty vague. [/QUOTE]
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