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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bogmad" data-source="post: 6180888" data-attributes="member: 6695559">Look, I acknowledged it's mushy, ok? Psionics has more of a basis in sci fi, when you go back to the classic original sources; I think we can acknowledge that. At least I've seen it complained on by others who don't want sci fi psychics in their old school fantasy games.  It's more of a pseudo-scientific pretending that something in his DNA effects whatever medium thought travels through or whatever.  The point (and again, it's a fine point I'll concede) is that the classic idea of psionics is that it's affecting reality differently than the way magic affects reality.And no, a sorcerer's power isn't based on his genetics. It's based on some extra thing he's infused with, be it magic from a "bloodline" or his pregnant mom being infused with some artifact or whatever.  You can go all fantasy/sci fi and say that if delve far enough it shows up on a genetic level, but the classic fantasy all these archetypes are based on don't really worry about "genetics" too much. And many would say that it isn't some extra chromosome that lets him use magic, but some other fuel or power coursing through his blood other than DNA. Never said willpower wasn't what a sorcerer uses to control his power, but that's different than what his power is.  Hell, I'm not even saying that you can't call them the same thing if you want.  But why the need to force me to say that they are as well?  Yes, in 3rd edition the standard was that psionics was just another form of magic and detectable as such.  I've already said more than once that I didn't like that approach and would rather go the other route.  Am I not allowed to now?Sorry to bring this thread off topic. I don't even mind if psionics end up in the mage class ultimately, as long as it's done well enough. As said above, if subclasses are tweaked enough that they can pretty much fully encompass the full class they once were, I don't really care what your naming structure is.I do have some concerns though, and saying that sorcerers and psions are basically the same thing kinda sets a lot of them off.</blockquote>

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