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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 8744680" data-attributes="member: 22424">Do they actually need design space, though? They're a really fun class to play as-is, even without class features, and they don't actually need any more subclasses. Plus, there's plenty of Wizard-adjacent design space - every time a new Arcane spell is added, the Wizard gets more toys to play with.Given that people hate having their toys taken away, surely the better answer is to try to bring everyone else up to meet the Wizard? Give the Fighters, Clerics, and others more things to do - and especially a wider range of cool things to be doing outside of combat.Of course, that's easier said that done - it's been a challenge ever since the days of Exceptional Strength, double specialisation, and the like.</blockquote>