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<blockquote data-quote="Kaptain_Kantrip" data-source="post: 67256" data-attributes="member: 546"><p>I don't think the CCE drastically overcomplicates things for advanced players and GM's interested in custom class design, if you've got a few hours to spend fiddling and fine-tuning. The CCE is not meant to replace the traditional core classes but serves as a means to craft exactly the class you want (and can still afford). Most times you will not need the CCE, but sometimes you want to do something different, and that's where some free time and the CCE can come in as a guideline. Additionally, once you've created the class in the CCE, it works just like any core class and you have no need to consult the CCE for that particular class ever again. Thus, the CCE seems like the simplest and best choice out of these alternate systems for custom class creation. That's still not getting us to the classless and/or level-less system we are looking for, but its a nice band-aid to be able to slap on while we wait for such a thing to come into being. While 2.5e Skills &amp; Powers/Spells &amp; Magic got a bad rap, my group absolutely loved it and miss having that degree of control over character creation in 3e. 3e is otherwise better but we want our point-buy characters back! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Kaptain_Kantrip, post: 67256, member: 546"] I don't think the CCE drastically overcomplicates things for advanced players and GM's interested in custom class design, if you've got a few hours to spend fiddling and fine-tuning. The CCE is not meant to replace the traditional core classes but serves as a means to craft exactly the class you want (and can still afford). Most times you will not need the CCE, but sometimes you want to do something different, and that's where some free time and the CCE can come in as a guideline. Additionally, once you've created the class in the CCE, it works just like any core class and you have no need to consult the CCE for that particular class ever again. Thus, the CCE seems like the simplest and best choice out of these alternate systems for custom class creation. That's still not getting us to the classless and/or level-less system we are looking for, but its a nice band-aid to be able to slap on while we wait for such a thing to come into being. While 2.5e Skills & Powers/Spells & Magic got a bad rap, my group absolutely loved it and miss having that degree of control over character creation in 3e. 3e is otherwise better but we want our point-buy characters back! :D [/QUOTE]

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