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<blockquote data-quote="Scurvy_Platypus" data-source="post: 4464440" data-attributes="member: 43283">Heh. Any point system can be abused. The big lie people tell themselves is that &quot;point-based&quot; means &quot;balanced&quot;. I've never seen a point-based system yet that can't be abused, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone seriously argue that 2 characters of the same point value in any point-based system will also be equally effective.The big thing I've noticed in point-based things is that people tend to do their best to make sure they squeeze every possible bit of &quot;value&quot; from each point they get to build their character.1st Ed is closer to &quot;d20&quot; in the standard sense than 2nd Ed. One of the big criticisms that I've seen people had of M&amp;M 1E is that it was &quot;too much like D&amp;D&quot; and one of the many praises 2E seems to get is that it's different from &quot;standard&quot; d20/D&amp;D.After that... yeah, M&amp;M could be used to run many genres. 2nd Ed is definitely pushing into other genres, and there was Monsters and Mayhem done for running a fantasy game using 1st Ed.I dunno though. For whatever reasons, when I think &quot;classless&quot; or &quot;point based d20&quot; M&amp;M isn't the first thing that springs to mind. It's possible yes, I just reach for something else. Probably part of it is that all anyone seems to be interested in is 2nd Ed M&amp;M, which as I've said seems to be all about _not_ looking like d20/D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scurvy_Platypus, post: 4464440, member: 43283"] Heh. Any point system can be abused. The big lie people tell themselves is that "point-based" means "balanced". I've never seen a point-based system yet that can't be abused, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone seriously argue that 2 characters of the same point value in any point-based system will also be equally effective. The big thing I've noticed in point-based things is that people tend to do their best to make sure they squeeze every possible bit of "value" from each point they get to build their character. 1st Ed is closer to "d20" in the standard sense than 2nd Ed. One of the big criticisms that I've seen people had of M&M 1E is that it was "too much like D&D" and one of the many praises 2E seems to get is that it's different from "standard" d20/D&D. After that... yeah, M&M could be used to run many genres. 2nd Ed is definitely pushing into other genres, and there was Monsters and Mayhem done for running a fantasy game using 1st Ed. I dunno though. For whatever reasons, when I think "classless" or "point based d20" M&M isn't the first thing that springs to mind. It's possible yes, I just reach for something else. Probably part of it is that all anyone seems to be interested in is 2nd Ed M&M, which as I've said seems to be all about _not_ looking like d20/D&D. [/QUOTE]

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