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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6635931" data-attributes="member: 92511">I'd like a little more clarification....like, what subclasses are you thinking about that would/could be open to all classes?As Mercule covered well, things that sort of replace/bring features in through an organization make the most obvious sense. I think [hope] the desire to avoid &quot;prestige class&quot; bloat can be easily avoided and/or conducted through feats easily enough, for folks to pick and choose as they wish.I could see some of those, kinda, &quot;crossing&quot; class lines. For example: an Arcane Archer Feat that, say, prereq's &quot;character must have X levels as Fighter, Ranger, Sorcerer or Wizard and proficiency with the long or short bow.&quot;But something that could be available to any/all classes? That would seem to fall in the realm of a background or a feat...as they are already constructed and fit into the system. I am having difficulty conceptualizing what &quot;sub-class&quot; would actually exist in this way.Something like a &quot;racial&quot; subclass...I suppose could, and has already been shown with the Deep Gnome magic stuff (which I think makes a ton of sense), be done through a feat as well...with a [fairly obvious] &quot;must be X race&quot; prereq...Maybe in &quot;larger&quot; cases a background...like &quot;Elf of Sylvanesti&quot; or &quot;Mystaran Hin Slinger&quot; or something like that...where you differentiate their race/region/location/training/upbringing somehow in a way that could be applied across the board for all classes of X race that take that background...but BGs are not really constructed to give PCs added &quot;features&quot;, per se. Backgrounds are for tools and proficiencies and RP/story possibilities stuff. So, that isn't really the same as bringing in a &quot;subclass&quot;, where you have character defining features kicking in at xyz levels. So, again, having trouble with the concept...what are you imagining would be a sub-class that could potentially be taken by any base class or any base class of a given race?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6635931, member: 92511"] I'd like a little more clarification....like, what subclasses are you thinking about that would/could be open to all classes? As Mercule covered well, things that sort of replace/bring features in through an organization make the most obvious sense. I think [hope] the desire to avoid "prestige class" bloat can be easily avoided and/or conducted through feats easily enough, for folks to pick and choose as they wish. I could see some of those, kinda, "crossing" class lines. For example: an Arcane Archer Feat that, say, prereq's "character must have X levels as Fighter, Ranger, Sorcerer or Wizard and proficiency with the long or short bow." But something that could be available to any/all classes? That would seem to fall in the realm of a background or a feat...as they are already constructed and fit into the system. I am having difficulty conceptualizing what "sub-class" would actually exist in this way. Something like a "racial" subclass...I suppose could, and has already been shown with the Deep Gnome magic stuff (which I think makes a ton of sense), be done through a feat as well...with a [fairly obvious] "must be X race" prereq... Maybe in "larger" cases a background...like "Elf of Sylvanesti" or "Mystaran Hin Slinger" or something like that...where you differentiate their race/region/location/training/upbringing somehow in a way that could be applied across the board for all classes of X race that take that background...but BGs are not really constructed to give PCs added "features", per se. Backgrounds are for tools and proficiencies and RP/story possibilities stuff. So, that isn't really the same as bringing in a "subclass", where you have character defining features kicking in at xyz levels. So, again, having trouble with the concept...what are you imagining would be a sub-class that could potentially be taken by any base class or any base class of a given race? [/QUOTE]

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