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Message: <blockquote data-quote="soulcatcher" data-source="post: 1182762" data-attributes="member: 5940">it's not a weapon I would choose to use lighly, but it's one of the only offensive tools an open source project has when people abuse it (and I'm not saying anyone has abused it yet).I think that to some degree you are right, but with careful programming, and cleaning up of code, it's been proven in many benchmarks that java *can* be almost as fast as C.  Especially if I chose to move to SWT (a native windowing toolkit released by teh eclipse project).  That being said, it's not alwyas about features, it's also ease of use, and good choice of features.  And no worries, we are of course both biased - in the end, the 'market' will decide <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />See, then they should say so.  PCGen data is for OPEN use.  CMP data as far as I can tell you can use as you damn well please.  If the CMP data sets are the issue for the developers of these various packages, that's fine - I don't care one whit.  It's useing the PCGen name, potentially without permission, as well as usage of teh data sets taht have been contributed that get my panties in a bunch (so to speak).There isn't one, at least not with me.  I have no connection to CMP.  I work with PCGen and GMGen.  I suspect the CMP people would welcome other pieces of software using their data, cause it's more sales for them.Great.  This is not directed at you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Talk to CMP. All the data in PCGen is OGL.  granted, we do have some specific PI permissions.  Any other group can do the same, they don't have to use our data, no monopoly.  The CMP stuff is for sale by a company with contracts to enable it to do so.  and as I said, I'm sure they would be happy to let others code compatability with those data sets.  I seriously doubt anyone in the PCGen community will care.Excellent.  That's the spirit I like to hear.  Doesn't mean that there might not be a project that intends to cheat, and make money off other people's toil.That's my hope <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />It's not making money I object to.  It's taking from the community for personal gain, and not giving back.  The community gives, so should it recieve.Yeah, and it's a tough route.  Java has it's problems, but lack of functionality is not one of them <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Good Luck to you too.On another note, I would liek to sit down with you, Chris, Todd, and whoever runs DM Genie, and discuss interoperability.  there is no reason a person who likes my combat manager, but your campaign management tools shouldn't be able to use both, and have them talk to each other.Think about it.Devon JonesGMGen RegentPCGen BoDsame as before....not the bod, all me.</blockquote>

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