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Cleave and AOO: What is the problem?
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<blockquote data-quote="rkanodia" data-source="post: 1804390" data-attributes="member: 11681"><p>Even ignoring the cheapness hinging on the definition of 'enemy' (which a good DM wouldn't allow enemy), cleaving on attacks of opportunity has some logic/balance issues.</p><p></p><p>Fred Fighter has Cleave and is going up against Bennie Big Bad Evil Guy. Fred gets one attack per round against Bennie.</p><p></p><p>Now, Michael Mook shows up to lend Bennie a hand. He figures Fred won't be so tough without his sword, so he attempts to disarm it. Lacking the Improved Disarm feat, he draws an attack of opportunity from Fred. Fred kills Michael easily, then uses Cleave to take an extra attack against Bennie.</p><p></p><p>So now, we have a scenario where Cleave let Fred make a second attack against Bennie in one round - <em>even though Bennie didn't do anything to make himself vulnerable</em>. Michael was the one who made himself open with the disarm attempt, but Bennie is taking the penalty also. If you think that's fine - Michael 'gets in Bennie's way', or is otherwise inhibiting Bennie's ability to defend himself via ineptitude, or whatever - then play it like it's written. Personally, I want my BBEGs to send in their mooks without stopping to think 'Hmm, I'll bet that guy in the platemail has Great Cleave; I'm going to get my butt kicked if I bring minions!'</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rkanodia, post: 1804390, member: 11681"] Even ignoring the cheapness hinging on the definition of 'enemy' (which a good DM wouldn't allow enemy), cleaving on attacks of opportunity has some logic/balance issues. Fred Fighter has Cleave and is going up against Bennie Big Bad Evil Guy. Fred gets one attack per round against Bennie. Now, Michael Mook shows up to lend Bennie a hand. He figures Fred won't be so tough without his sword, so he attempts to disarm it. Lacking the Improved Disarm feat, he draws an attack of opportunity from Fred. Fred kills Michael easily, then uses Cleave to take an extra attack against Bennie. So now, we have a scenario where Cleave let Fred make a second attack against Bennie in one round - [i]even though Bennie didn't do anything to make himself vulnerable[/i]. Michael was the one who made himself open with the disarm attempt, but Bennie is taking the penalty also. If you think that's fine - Michael 'gets in Bennie's way', or is otherwise inhibiting Bennie's ability to defend himself via ineptitude, or whatever - then play it like it's written. Personally, I want my BBEGs to send in their mooks without stopping to think 'Hmm, I'll bet that guy in the platemail has Great Cleave; I'm going to get my butt kicked if I bring minions!' [/QUOTE]
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