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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 1804711" data-attributes="member: 704">Actually, that depends on the DM's tastes and preferences when creating combats.I tend to use Orcs / Goblins / Etc alot more then other DMs, I think (Though in all honesty, I dont play much outside of games I DM).Now, Great Cleave is not too useful in a high level game.  But in a mid level game (say, 4 to 8) where fights involving 10 or more low Hp opponents are common?  What about a Raging barbarian with a high str from magic items / buff spells using a 2 handed magical weapon?  What about fights againts opponents where your surrounded by giants, and your mage has dropped area of effect spells that bring most of the opponents to low HP?The difference between cleave and great cleave in such situations is the difference between being able to keep a warrior surrounded and isolated with minion grade meat without losing more then 2 or 3 minions per round.  Taking down 8 Orcs is a larger tactical benefit then dropping 2.As for the topic of this thread, its just another one of those pseudo problems that bother some DM's more then others, and can be fixed with a house rule.  The only complication being that players really tend to argue about having a useful trick taken away when its in a 'core' book, as opposed to a splat book.END COMMUNICATION</blockquote>