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Cleave and AOO: What is the problem?
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<blockquote data-quote="rkanodia" data-source="post: 1805080" data-attributes="member: 11681"><p>I can see what you mean, but consider what happens if Michael the Mook isn't in the scenario at all: Fred doesn't get a Cleave attack. He can't say "I'm taking my attack from Cleave against Bennie" unless he has something to drop first.</p><p></p><p>It's an interesting property that Cleave/Great Cleave (AOOs excepted) never lets you attack a specific target more times than if you had just taken a full attack against them. That is to say, a fighter with 3 attacks and Great Cleave could very well take out 3 minions and cleave at the BBEG (or BBEL) 3 times in one round. However, he also could have just attacked the BBEG 3 times directly. He got more hits total, but none of his targets are individually worse off than if they were going up against the hero one-on-one.</p><p></p><p>From a flavor standpoint, the way I've interpreted this is that Cleaving isn't so much 'You attack, and then attack again' as much as 'You were <em>really</em> aiming for that guy over there, and this wimpy guy got in the way' (which is why Cleaving on an AOO makes no sense, sense the guy over there wasn't open to attack) but I guess everyone has their own opinion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rkanodia, post: 1805080, member: 11681"] I can see what you mean, but consider what happens if Michael the Mook isn't in the scenario at all: Fred doesn't get a Cleave attack. He can't say "I'm taking my attack from Cleave against Bennie" unless he has something to drop first. It's an interesting property that Cleave/Great Cleave (AOOs excepted) never lets you attack a specific target more times than if you had just taken a full attack against them. That is to say, a fighter with 3 attacks and Great Cleave could very well take out 3 minions and cleave at the BBEG (or BBEL) 3 times in one round. However, he also could have just attacked the BBEG 3 times directly. He got more hits total, but none of his targets are individually worse off than if they were going up against the hero one-on-one. From a flavor standpoint, the way I've interpreted this is that Cleaving isn't so much 'You attack, and then attack again' as much as 'You were [i]really[/i] aiming for that guy over there, and this wimpy guy got in the way' (which is why Cleaving on an AOO makes no sense, sense the guy over there wasn't open to attack) but I guess everyone has their own opinion. [/QUOTE]
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